| 95schwing | 10-18-2013 | comment profile send pm notify |
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original over copy. !00% differnce.
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| 95schwing | 10-18-2013 | reply profile send pm notify |
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You know this will all get deleted right? |
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| davidh | 10-19-2013 | reply profile send pm notify |
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German Putzy no contest |
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| concreteluvr | 10-19-2013 | reply profile send pm notify |
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Just keep in mind. They will both get the job done. Do you need all the electronics, are your guys skilled enough to keep up with all the Putz bells and whistles. Most important. Cost of Parts.? They will both get the job done and well. Does a name make you more profit or give you rights to charge more on site? Both are good pumps. Both will get your work done and last you a long time. Both are proven in our markets. |
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| JABA | 10-20-2013 | reply profile send pm notify |
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Putz set world standard from 60's to 90's = very simple & reliable machines = Elefant Pumps WORLD LEADER Putz world leaders in pump technoligy = Computers = Head fucks for owners & operators OSS ERGONIC Bull shit headaces breakdowns KOREA CONCRETE PUMPS =, KCP , JUN JIN, CONCORD = NO COMPUTERS SIMPLE OPERATION & EASY TROUBLE SHOOTING = LOW COST MACHINE = PLENTY PROFIT $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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| parris | 10-20-2013 | reply profile send pm notify |
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Anyone who says concord over putz has absolutely no idea what they're talking about - not my opinion, FACT. First, You can discount the opinion of everyone saying that korean pumps are putz copies. Those people are solely speaking in reference to aesthetics. Hydraulically there are no similarities at all. Korean pumps are poorly engineered, have awful hyd systems, use inferior steel during construction, use cheap hyd valves, spools, and seals. These are the factors that matter when asking about equipment superiority. That said, all this results ina cheaper price. If you're doing big commercial jobs daily, then the only question is putz or schwing, considering any other brand is moronic. If you do residential jobs (100 yards is large to you) then a korean pump should suffice because the inevitable problems shouldn't occur for quite a while when used gently.
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| rusty22 | 10-20-2013 | reply profile send pm notify |
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Holding valves on a Concord are not protected So dont bump one. |
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| concreteluvr | 10-20-2013 | reply profile send pm notify |
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The first Jun Jin was sold, delivered and pumping in this country new in 1998. It is still pumping full out today. 15 years with no major issue. Boom passes inspections, just general wear and up keep. |
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| PUMBO | 10-20-2013 | reply profile send pm notify |
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| JABA | 10-20-2013 | reply profile send pm notify |
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Hey Parris No one has pumped more concrete than in China , in the last 10 years And belive me brother its , ZOOMLION , SANY & XCMG ALL THE WAY. All the above machines very simple to run for the operator. Thats why they have the CASH$$$$$$$$ TO BUY THE big 2 out. I cant see any putz or schwing in this pic brother. You are very incorrect about , boom steel , switchs valves all the same , rexroth , hawie bosh HBC RADIO. Happy pumping............................................ |
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| concreteluvr | 10-21-2013 | reply profile send pm notify |
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Jaba, Do not be fooled by picture propaganda. This part of the world is the best. Look at what North Korea does to its people. Even most factory pictures are Photo Doc. Sany and Zoomlion both tried its products here and they could not perform. They bought Putz and Sany because they needed quality pumps in China and could not bring them in unless they established a Chinese control. Government monies bought the two complanies hands down. Zoomlion bought CIFA straight up but CIFA really was a ghost of vendors in a Parlay building pumps and mixers but under Italian recievership. Zoomlion really got nothing. Sany and XCMG got debt and money pits our of Schwing and PUtz as both were bleeding bad at that time and the Euro was getting killed. Putz and Schwing are great products. Shame to have this happen to two greats. But do not compare performance with these other pumps in performance or in anyway. |
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| concreteluvr | 10-21-2013 | reply profile send pm notify |
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Great point and most obvious in the whole discussion. Nice Dip. |
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| AZ pumper | 10-21-2013 | reply profile send pm notify |
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Concord alliance want they r all pumps with old putz technology so basically u r getting a putz |
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| parris | 10-21-2013 | reply profile send pm notify |
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The oLdest putz i've worked on is a 1995, so i cannot speak to what putz was doing before then, but the statement regurgitated by everyone that the koreans are putz copies or "old putzs" is a complete falsehood. First, putz (at least post-1994) didn't use open loop hydraulics. 2nd, the valving and electrical circuits are completely different (in both actuality, and the theory behind the electrical circuits). Structurally speaking, the design is a putz copy, unfortunately they use cheap steel and you will not get the longevity that putz/schwing offer. Like i said, if you do not pump at great volume then a korean pump should save you some money, and probably won't be a ton of problems. If you pump high volume, then decide between a putz or a schwing. Don't be fooled by the knotheads saying they're just old putzs, because they're more similar to old schwings than putzs (open loop, hydraulic switching). |
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| Ezcon | 10-21-2013 | reply profile send pm notify |
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Schwing! Schwing! Schwing! Concord and the rest might be cheaper but will never last long as schwing. Durable, reliable. |
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| JABA | 10-22-2013 | reply profile send pm notify |
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NEW WORLD ORDER STOP WITH THE BRAIN WASHING |
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| JABA | 10-22-2013 | reply profile send pm notify |
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HEY THATS A BIG HOUSE SLAB HAAAHHAAHHHHAHHHHAHHHHAHHH
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| JABA | 10-22-2013 | reply profile send pm notify |
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THE FUTURE................................... |
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| concreteluvr | 10-22-2013 | reply profile send pm notify |
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Yep I agree. Had to go to German Engineering to fix the things they could not build. |
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