Hose whipping death.
pumperman 04-05-2006
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that just puts me in mind how many of us have to die before people start realizing that insufficent training and the just go do it attitued is not the way to go.sure sum of us older operators may be stuck in our ways.and even sumtimes hard to deal with at times.but to train the younger ones and keep them alive is a small price to pay for experience.im actually sick to my stomach to keep reading this about guys dieing in our industry.maybe one of these days after enough die these owners will realize just cause it goes in the big end the other end isnt always what it is supposed to turn out the way we want it with kids not trained correctly.and then u got these people that take the ACPA as a joke give them the books for the test and all that crap. it is installed for our saftey and knowladge and if u dont take it seriously u will get bit.DAMN the price of insurance for the companies take a lil pride in your craft not everyone can do this or will even attempt to do it.learn it and apply it and go home at the end of the day.like that 4yo kid will have to live with out his father i just like to know how long and who trained him

Marcus 04-05-2006
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Training is and will always be the key to safety and we all have our own individual ideas of what a well trained Operator is. This is why the concept of OTC was formed and will be a big asset to the future of the concrete pumping industry. Our industry could be headed for a crisis, and the reason is very simple. The average person or employer is more convinced today that pumping is the way to move concrete around the site, which is good. Soon the idea of using the workers and doing hard labor moving the mud will be out the door and everything that can be pumped, will be pumped. Why because moving the heavy mud around is cause for more back and other injuries and these are expensive for employers. Also today the North American industry produces how many pumps per month? Over a 100 is a good guess, and so over 10 years with no increased manufactures production, (which is very unlikely) this means 12,000 new machines. Who will run all these new machines? Most of the companies I talked too all claim to be pretty busy, so how many companies individual market share will grow and by what overall percentage 30%, 40%, more over 10 years, probably more than even 40%. In the article Posted here about Les Ainsworth from PumpCo their growth is a good indicator of where our industry is going as more people use pumps,

pumperman 04-05-2006
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u know don i hate to sound pissed off but ive seen these accidents happen over and over in my years as a operator and done all the jobs u mentioned except own a pump. and its getting worse not better cause we r having to grow so quick.plus i know for a fact im right cause i was fired from a major company for refusing to put a man on a machine that he wasnt ready for after a week and a half of training.and know for a fact it happens all over.u r more than right to say im pissed.but im tired of hearing bout these young kids that r ruined to get a job done.maybe he was more than trained and if so i was wrong for venting like i did but it does go on and its gotta stop or u will be reading bout this more and more over the years

pumperman 04-05-2006
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and if im right Don ,i want u to try to explain what u just did to me to all the kids losing their dads cause i got 3 and they been around the business all their lives and they know whats involved ,but u talk bout the owners great expense.u know they do go for alot of headache but that should just insure that the training is a lil better not guys on 52s with 6 months or blowing highrises with a month,so god luv them for them taking the risk but we gotta look out for us also

Marcus 04-05-2006
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I agree with you, we do not know what the experience level is. We do know the Operator was only 24. My point is that most all accidents are avoidable with proper knowledge and training. The question is whose knowledge and whose training and when do we as an industry start to all be on the same page with procedures. Then the next question would be whose procedures and why?I was on a site the other day watching a young operator wash out. From a distance I watched as he lifted the grate and climbed into the hopper. I walked over and asked him why was in the hopper. He informed me that he had been trained that it was perfectly safe to spray the hopper down from inside, as long as you keep one foot on the top of the S-Tube nothing can happen to you. He was 100% convinced of this and had been doing it for three months, his time in the industry running a boom. I politely pointed out the issues with his theory and the what if factor. I hope he agreed. Our industry is facing some challenges and we all need to look ahead today and try to find the best solution, a safe solution. Sincerely,MarcusOperationsThe Operator Training CenterOperations@OperatorTrainingCenter.Com

swice 04-06-2006
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Do you have a website / info for your school ?Thanks,

Marcus 04-06-2006
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Not yet it is under construction shoot me an email and I will get you some info. Sincerely,MarcusOperationsThe Operator Training CenterOperations@OperatorTrainingCenter.Com