I mean what is up guys? Is this how you guys roll down under? and than post it on your web page? Tell me its not so.

http://www.concretepumping.com.au/contact_us.htm

Man that would put a damper in his day if he got smacked with that thing.

I think we have all done things that are wrong, even crazy. In fact i have some stories i could tell you but I would not put them on the front page of my web page so everyone can see how much of a dork I really am.

no todd this is not how we roll down under.

come on todd you have seen our pxts latly, we dont do that shit, but as photos of guys doing that over there always pop up you end up with the same here. i guess we cant help every idiot.

well atleast the guy looks happy in this picture LOL "ignorance is bliss" and this guy is as happy as a 9 year old with his first puppy.. HaHa

I am having a hard time understanding some of you people on here.  Has it truthfully been  proven that having a metal end on the end of your hose or a elbow of some sort is that dangerous when a hose whips of is it just the hose whipping that causes the damage?  Lots of my customers like having a device on the end and how the hell can you cap a hose with no end when you have to boom over something and don't want to drop concrete on something cause as we all know it doesn't matter how long you let a hose drain  it will spit concrete at the wrong time!

N.Pumper 15years ago when I worked out of Vancouver we heard of a guy over in Kelowna getting his face shattered from a double 90 when it plugged and released. I tried for a couple of years after to get documentation, no luck. The danger is real. JUST THINK of getting whacked by 40lbs of steel at 300bar. I have had the misfortune of being struck by a whip hose whith out any steal on the end, and i got laid out. BACK 15 Years ago WCB. had discussed banning these devices and as ussual in our industry as long as nobody has to charged or sued due to seriose injury or death. Nothing gets done. In our industry we have to know more than crane operators yet we are treated like everyday labourers. This is also the very reason our industry is in such bad shape. It needs to be more regulated and saty has got to be enforced. THAT IS MY VENT FOR THE DAY. BE SAFE AND KEEP THE TIRE SIDE DOWN AND YOUR BOOM OFF THE GROUND.

Northern, Have you ever had a hose whip? I use a snowmobile drive belt and kink when I don't want a mess. I whipped last summer and put a friend of mine on the ground, a really scary moment and he would have been in the hospital if there would have been metal on the end of that hose. {He has never ran that hose again!} It is a very powerful dangerous thing when it happens////

i love the "have you seen proof?" argument. dude just because you haven't seen it happen doesn't mean it hasn't happened. let me tell you something, if you kill someone with one of those things, not only do you have to live with the guilt, but you might also do time. at the risk of loss life and freedom over a lost customer, i'll take the lost customer.

How do you cap off a hose w/ no end on it???  Are you kidding?  Seriously whether your running a 3'', 4'', or 5" hose you can kink them all off with a little thing called a "HALO"  You know like the angels where.  I myself have used steel tie wire just like the iron workers use for most of my days and it works well.  It's readly availabele,cheap and only takes a few min to make.

A least hes not getting any splatter on him haha, Could you imagine that recking ball, ouwch.

Dangerous, illegal, but then again having any reduction (5" to 4") on the tip in the air is not supported in any manufacturers operating manual. Thats a big safety hazard, even with safety chain.

with a little thing called a "HALO" 

Good advice,but what do we know?

Hell i have seen a hose man taken off a job in an ambulance bleeding just from a whip of a hose without any steel on it thats proof enough use your head and at least try to make are industry a little safer

Good point

In the past 30 some years I have seen hoses (tip or line) do some of the darndest things.Forsure there's no rhime or reason,just the luck of the draw.In the old days these pumps didn't develop the quick pressure build up.Todays pumps build so fast even the keen ear can't stop the inevitable.Do as one wishes,not me.

Just the facts

How about all you guys from AU giving these guys a call and asking him to please take down that picture, its making us all look bad.

His phone Number is 03 9722 1111 or email him at info@concretepumping.com.au

His web page is http://www.concretepumping.com.au/contact_us.htm

At least this we we might use peer pressure for his safety and all of our betterment.

You know the first thing I noticed? No hard hat, safety vest or long pants. Saw the "Life Eliminator" next.

Your right. I emailed him I hope you all do and those of you in AU please call him. I am not trying to be a jerk I just think he is hurting us all with that picture representing his company.

Todd, I think you're stepping over the line on this crusade you've got going.  - Trolling the internet for incriminating pictures, then launching a campaign to get a company to change their website, just because you don't like a photo they've posted.  I'll admit that there are some issues in that picture, but you know what?  It's HIS business.  HE is the one that has to deal with the consequences and the authorities.  Merely my $0.02.

You might be right PumpJockey. I dont know, I get in trouble now an again and some guys get all upset at me. I am not trying to cause anyone any problems. I just know that when an operator gets asked to use a double 90 and he says no or that its not safe and the contractor says well these guys do it and see his web site it makes it that much harder for the rest of us.

I have always told my kids that if your going to get in trouble than make sure you get in trouble for doing something good or trying to make things better. Dont get in trouble for doing something bad. I think that if i get in trouble or I am out of line here at least its for a good reason.

   Here's my question.  Has anyone that kinks their hose notice that they prematurely wear out their hose or even blow the hose in that spot they kink it at?  Sorry but the explosive pressure of a hose blowing in ones face is a safer situation than having a steel end?  I'm not saying a steel end or double 90's are the answer they're also dangerous but perhaps ther is a million dollar idea out there that doesn't require a steel end to cap or kinking a $800 hose.  Anyone who says the hoses won't weaken wwhere you kink either does not pay attention to their system or doesn't buy the system.  And speaking of safety what is with these 20 ft hoses I keep seeing in pictures.  Not only overloading the boom but wow f@#$ing weeeee what aride if that thing cuts loose from an air lock or a plug steel end or not.  So yes I agree about steel ends being dangerous but once again this industry is always being reactive instead of proactive.  Myself I use a ball suck back 2 or 3 strokes swing to where I need to be pump the ball out.  Yes it can plug to although it only seems to happen if I wait around to long before starting to pump, Winter time soak ball in anti- freeze and it won't freeze in either.

Thanks for understanding my position, Todd.  You're starting to seem like the TIP HOSE NAZI.  I know you're just looking out for the unintended vitims and trying to educate, but turning the wrath of concretepumping.com's membership on him isn't Kosher.

A nicely worded email, snail-mail letter or friendly phone call on your part, if you're concrerned for worker's safety is probably a better path to take.

you are right. please be nice to the guy, i dont want to be a pain in the butt but i hope this all turns out for the best.

There are things called "air cuffs" spend the xtra cash and get one or use the "halo" method when moving the hose or the ball method mentioned above . And yes kinking your hose is not a grand idea as it does tend to weaken it alot over time.

And "PJ" it is Todd's and everyone elses business, not just the owner of that website when something is published that is potentially hazardous to this industry or in the very least his employee's. And as an "Industry" we as a whole need to bring bad pumping practices to light, my god how many more of your friends or mine have to get hurt by a silly ass tip hose set up like is shown in that photo or by using steel ended tip hose's before someone or all of us stand up and say we've had enough ???

 Its better that we use our best skilled judgements when it comes to this industry , rather than a law mandating the none use of metal on a tip end hose !!!

  Schwing sent out a notice in 2003 recomending the "no metal on tip hose" I will send Todd the .pdf file , it was written by Rob Edwards also. And he can post it if he wants too.

Im just saying that because even the pump manufacture or at the very least Schwing recognizes the safety problem.

Pump safe / Pump smart/ come home to your family !!!

and yes "PJ" or pump jockey what you said is the a good path to take quote

"A nicely worded email, snail-mail letter or friendly phone call on your part, if you're concrerned for worker's safety is probably a better path to take."

Australia's WorkCover and the Australian Concrete Pumping Association are the ones better equipped to deal with pumpers on that Continent and Sovereign Nation.

I can just imagine what any one of you would think if a guy from Spain called you up taking exception to your way of doing business.....the uptight American would leap right out of you.  (think about it, it REALLY WOULD - don't deny it)

http://www.cpassoc.com.au/

http://www.cpassoc.com.au/code%20of%20practice.html

http://www.workcover.nsw.gov.au/Pages/default.aspx

http://www.worksafe.vic.gov.au/wps/wcm/connect/wsinternet/WorkSafe/Home/

http://www.workcover.wa.gov.au/Default.htm

http://www.concretepumpersworld.com.au/

I would not and dont make me prove it, lol

I was joking PumpJockey, lol sorry man did not mean for you to delete part of your post. I was just joking really.

I was half-joking about the 'Uptight American' thing too, and you know which half of the population you're in!  LOL

We are all in this together, the worlds getting smaller all the time. Everyone in the pump industry is family.

Its driving me crazy that he still has the picture up on his web site. I emailed him very nicely and explained everything to him and he still has it up on his site.

LOL Todd,since my job pertains to safety . I run into this kinda of thing all the time. All you can do is give the person the proper documentation along with an example then you wipe your hands of the problem. Some people and companies no matter what will just do what ever they feel they need to , ya know.

You have done all you can do , now just let them suffer any consequences if anything bad happens.In the end it is up to each individual to keep them selves safe while working .

jeepers you guys need to get out and see the rest of the world i think you would end up having a heart attack and the double 90 on the end hose would be the least of your worries

I agree with CDS, It's out there everyday.just like everything else thats out there thats bad in the world. It's like crossing the street with out using the cross walk! It isn't right but people do it ALL the time. This is the kicker! Nine times out of ten, it's not the illegal party involved that has to face the consequences,it's the innocent. I know that theres a lot of people that go on the end of a whip hose and aren't as experienced as the next guy that hope that the operator of the machine is taking there safety and well being into consideration. Thats not always the case. Most people live there life with that motto, Out of Site Out of Mind. Some choose to step up and some choose to ignore it. Todd! If it bothers you that much, it's driving you crazy, it's your site! erase the post. Like most things, Out of Site Out of Mind. My2cents.

Water pressure is available because the water pump turns and throws water at the outlet. It's not like a hydraulic pump in that it can run against a closed hose nozzle (for example) without over-pressurizing and causing a blowout. It has a pressure relief valve, which is what sets the water pressure maximum.

Slow or internally-bleeding hydraulic motor or circuit will cause your symptoms; so will a pressure relief valve on the water side malfunctioning or sticking open.

Start with the cheap and easy:

• I don't have the schematic, but if there are any other devices on the same oil circuit, see if they're running at the correct speed. (Could be the agitator is on the same circuit.) If any other circuit components work as expected, you can eliminate the hydraulic pump and controls from the cause. If they don't, then the pump and hydraulic system become the prime suspect. If the hydraulics work as expected, then go to the next step.

• Try raising the pressure of the water relief valve (typically a brass colored device near the water pump with a T handle and a set screw on the shaft.) If it doesn't help, turn it back down to where it was.

• Make sure no valve is half-engaged (which would also cause heat).

If all that seems good, then your water pump could be worn out. Only replacing it would say for sure. I hope this helps. Mechanics; if I forgot something, bring it up. I may have advanced CRAFT disease. (Can't Remember A F'ing Thing.)

Water pressure is available because the water pump turns and throws water at the outlet. It's not like a hydraulic pump in that it can run against a closed hose nozzle (for example) without over-pressurizing and causing a blowout. It has a pressure relief valve, which is what sets the water pressure maximum.

Slow or internally-bleeding hydraulic motor or circuit will cause your symptoms; so will a pressure relief valve on the water side malfunctioning or sticking open.

Start with the cheap and easy:

• I don't have the schematic, but if there are any other devices on the same oil circuit, see if they're running at the correct speed. (Could be the agitator is on the same circuit.) If any other circuit components work as expected, you can eliminate the hydraulic pump and controls from the cause. If they don't, then the pump and hydraulic system become the prime suspect. If the hydraulics work as expected, then go to the next step.

• Try raising the pressure of the water relief valve (typically a brass colored device near the water pump with a T handle and a set screw on the shaft.) If it doesn't help, turn it back down to where it was.

• Make sure no valve is half-engaged (which would also cause heat).

If all that seems good, then your water pump could be worn out. Only replacing it would say for sure. I hope this helps. Mechanics; if I forgot something, bring it up. I may have advanced CRAFT disease. (Can't Remember A F'ing Thing.)