ASME, All owners must read this, best thing that has ever happened to the Concrete Pumping industry.
Todd 05-05-2014
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https://www.asme.org/products/codes-standards/b3027-2014-material-placement-systems

 

I would like to thank the men who worked so hard on this project.

 

Jim Bury (Putzmeister)

Gary Brown (R.L. Mccoy)

Wayne Bylsma (Cherokee Pumping)

Robert Edwards (NBIS)

Todd Bullis (ConcretePumping.com and Pump Magic)

Randy Waterman (Brundage-Bone Concrete Pumping)

Robert Wild (ASME)

Heinz Wortmann (Schwing)

Larry Demark (Equipment Training Solutions)

John Schoppert (NBIS)

Billy Smith (NBIS)

Kyle Rask (Brundage Bone Concrete Pumping)

Les Ainsworth (Les Ainsworth)

B30.27 applies to the construction, installation, operation, inspection, testing, and maintenance of trailer and truck-mounted material placement systems. Included in this are mechanical and hydraulic pea gravel systems, mobile telescoping boom conveyors, separate placing booms, and material placement accessories. Truck-mounted material placement systems can be either with or without an integral placing boom.


This Volume does not apply to conveyor parts of mobile telescoping boom conveyors, mortar conveying or spraying machines, or dry mix shotcreting machines.  The conveyor section of these machines is covered by ASME B20.1


rusty22 05-05-2014
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When i get my free copy,will see if it's the best thing.


Todd 05-05-2014
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No free copy. The reason i say this is the best thing to happen to the pumping industry is because this puts responsibilities where they belong and not just on the pump operator and owner.


Beast 05-06-2014
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We will see , need a little better sales pitch , I would rather have a brief description of why I need this . 


Todd 05-06-2014
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This is the new standard and practices for the pumping industry, I am not trying to sell anything, i am not making a penny on any of this. 


Beast 05-06-2014
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what is the new standard ? So the ACPA standards are obsolete ? I am just asking , I do not understand how 4 or 5 men come up with the NEW standard. what standards are we talking ? driving safety , job safety or everything to do with pumping concrete ? Has the ACPA accepted this as the new standard ? For years we have been governed by OSHA, ACPA, and now the ASME has the new standards , I am just trying to wrap my head around why and how this can in a instant can become the new standard. I know that a lot of work , time and money has probably been sank into this with no doubt good intentions, I would have to know that this is approved by the ACPA and OSHA before calling it standard though , please educate me .


Todd 05-06-2014
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OSHA, ACPA and the Lawyers all look to ASME and end up adopting these standards and or work to update and change them. Right now it is the Lawyers who are buying and reading these new standards. My understanding is the ASME has a greater authority and again OSHA and the courts will look to the ASME standards put into place, that is the reason it is so important that you read and understand the new standard. The ACPA does not have to accept these new standards but I believe they will. Working on these new ASME standards for the concrete pumping industry is a great privilege and we have been able to do the things the ACPA could not do and we have done them on a national scale. I believe once you read these new standards you will be amazed.


Beast 05-06-2014
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THANK YOU


Todd 05-06-2014
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One of the main reasons I believe all Concrete Pump owners need to read this new section of the ASME is because they will want to make sure all the contractors they work for have read it also. The ASME is a big game changer in all feilds they work in.


Michael C 05-06-2014
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I just read through the booklet very quickly. This is a great book outlining safety, training and responsibility in our indusrty. Todd is right, the lawyers will use this as a tool in court. This is the first time I have seen this information presented as indusrty standards that all should follow. Too many times I have seen people running pumps without training and with equipment I wouldn't run because it wasn't safe. It is good to finally see this in print.


Todd 05-06-2014
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Thank  you Michael. Responsibility has been misplaced in our industry for far too long. I am excited to see others thoughts after they read the Standards. I believe these men who helped create these standards have done a great service to our industry and have brough back common sence to the work place. 


Todd 05-06-2014
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Duane Remus at REED is now the chairman of the ASME B30.27 committee.


DIGGER 05-07-2014
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Be very careful about letting ASME set standards, even with concrete pump industry senior and experienced peoples' input.

The Australian Standards Association, are the people with the assistance and input of two German boom manufacturers that introduced the 6 year complete strip down standard. A $ 30k to 50k average cost to the boom owners. Now the very people who assisted the ASA are now trying to have the 6 year standard eliminated.

It does not make compute ... the owner of a new boom in a small town pumping 4,000 cubic per year has to do the same 6 year strip down as a high volume city boom pumping 30,000 cubic per year.

Be careful what you wish for!!  


Todd 05-07-2014
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Very good point Digger, that is one of the reason I wanted to be at the meetings. My interests are on behalf of the pump owners. If there was anything like that going on I would have blew the whistle right away. It is also another reason everyone should be reading these standards.


Mr. Ed 05-16-2014
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Some of the comments on the site seem to indicate that some of the ACPA rules are being replaced by the ASME B30.27, but that's not true.  All of the training and safety information developed by the ACPA is still in effect.  B30.27 gives information to those who own pumps, operate pumps, rent pumps, or use pumps (and Telebelts) what safety equipment should be included with machines, minimum burst strengths of system components, who should be trained, what items are to be inspected, the minimum tipping calculations and things of that nature.  The standard tells a person who must receive training, and the ACPA designs training.  In theory, the two organizations work in harmony to create a safe jobsite.


T-Stone 05-17-2014
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i wanted to read this as an owner but your seriously charging for this? If this is supposed to be the new industry standard and you want to create awareness or whatever your trying to accomplish it should be available for free otherwise I don't care what it says. Sorry for the run on but it angers me when people try and take my companies hard earned profits. 


Todd 05-17-2014
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Dear Stone, this is the ASME we have no control over it. I personly spent over 1,500 bucks on this and I dont even get a thank you, i nor anyone on the team gets the $40.00 We are not trying to take a penny from you but save you thousands of dollars if not millions. I hope you reconsider and spend $40.00 sorry to say but your post is a little bit insulting. Believe me when it is time your lawyer will have no problem spending the 40.00


180 flyer 05-18-2014
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What is being touted here as the best thing since hydraulic fluid is really just an update of ASME 30.27. It was last updated in 2009. 30.27 is updated every 5 years so this was a scheduled event. Also, this update doesn't go into effect utill April, 2015. So a game changer? Prolly not. When I've been under oath re: concrete pump safety, ASME has never been brought up, but ACPA standards have.

OSHA may or may not adopt ASME standards, though they are certainly examined for addoption or modification. OSHA may in fact adopt stricter or more lenient standards. In the end, it's the OSHA standards that have the rule of law. Not a professional organiztion like ASME, ACPA or any other. Contractors can of course adopt stricter standards than OSHA for their jobsites and many do. 

Do a google search and you can find the 2009 PDF file online. Near as I can tell it's not under copyright, so why not post the 2014 edition here Todd? 

 

BTW Todd, ASME has no authority to change anything.  The ASME was, in 1982, succesfully sued in US Supreme Court for violating the Sherman Antitrust Act and found liable for over $6 million in damages. The basis for the suit was the use of "Apparent Authority" where no authority existed. In short, the Supreme Court has decided that the ASME has no authority for establishing legal standards. 

 

This is not to say that 30.27 is a bunch of hooey. It may have many good points and ACPA is recommending reading. But there is no rule of law here. The ASME is not Congress. Just an FYI for us all. 


Todd 05-18-2014
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Yep you are right, but did  you read it? good stuff right?


180 flyer 05-18-2014
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Never said there wasn't good stuff in ASME 30.27 Todd.

 It's just not the "Be all, end all" for the pumping industry (or any other) you made it out to be. 

 

 

 

 


Todd 05-19-2014
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Well for the first time it directs responsibility to where the responsiblity should be such as ground conditions, an owner of a pump company or the operator should not be responsible for knowing the condition of the soil, that should be the contractor's and or job superintendent, it is their job they know the job and job conditions. These are the types of things that are very much-needed and very practical.