Buying line pump
trilling 02-15-2010
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I have a small constructing firm, we make a small buildings use about 2.000m3 of concrete a year. I am from Montenegro (Europe), here price for pumping concrete is 16 dollars/m3 so I decided to buy a line pump. Don`t know much about line pumps but am willing to learn. If I got it right it is hard to move around site 5" hose but it is possible. My first pick is http://www.thomasconcretemachinery.com/PUTZMEISTER-TS2050_p_195.html# Am I right? Sorry for my bad English!

Travelteck 02-15-2010
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You are correct the 5 In hose is a bear to move around the site, 4 inch is easier to handle if the mix will support it.

 As for the pump It is a very reliable S-Tube unit, If it was maintained it should serve you well, Things to check are the Hydraulic oil Is it milky, It might have water in it, this will damage the internal hyd parts, Most all of the unit is rebuild able. The electrical system is simple and fairly easy to understand.

Parts for this unit are also available to you.


b-alto 02-16-2010
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With the right concrete mix you can pump through 3" Inside diameter. I pump through 2.5". Check the hours and wear parts. Thickness of "s" tube, cutting ring, kidney plate. These are all rebuildable but cost a few dollars. Does it come with any hose of pipe? If I were buying another pump it would have under 2000 hours.

trilling 02-16-2010
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Agregate I am using is 0/4 mm 32% 620kg 4/8mm 18% 349kg 8/16 22% 426kg 16/32 28% 534kg Beocouse I can`t change concrete 5" hose is prefered in Montenegro, here we don`t have a lot of line pumps and the truck mounted ones with a 4" hose are having problem becouse of the agregate. Would ruber hose be more fleksibile and would it prevent jaming?

Todd 02-16-2010
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Dear trilling, please take the time and spend the money to get trained or hire a pump operator. Learning on your own is very dangerous.

eugene 02-16-2010
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the pump is not a bad choice but it was only 30k new. if it has the oringinal hydroulic pump you could be at risk for replacement at 5K. there is a reason the oil just got changed it probably looked bad.

the pumps in your area are doing 5 inch hose is because the mix really sucks, if the plant makes something that can reduce to a 2 inch line your a player but they are going to charge you lots more money for the good stuff and will the customers pay the the price.

seen the the same issues in dallas texas, ya i could have all the line work there but tough to do 50-100 yard jobs to keep up and with the time it takes would take the bill wuld be close to the same as the boom pump.

sometimes its better to have a breast pocket deal with your local pumper.


Travelteck 02-16-2010
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trilling.

it is industry standard that steel pipe is much easier to pump threw than rubber hose. the hose itself causes resistance. We would lay pipe as far as possible then hose for placing at the end.

 


REEDPumps 02-16-2010
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Hello Trilling,

Please call or email me - I have something that I think will be perfect for you. We REALLY want to get a REED Line Pump into Croatia...

Thank you.

Mike Newcomb
REED Concrete Pumps
www.reedpumps.com
mike.newcomb@reedmfg.com
Tel: 909-287-2100


trilling 02-16-2010
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We usually have a 400-500 m2 of plates to cower and 40-60m3 of concrete. I would not operate the pump of course, we are going to employ somebody, but I need as much advices as I can get before buying pump. We`ll probubly only use pump in our jobs. I am opend for preposition about the pump and the system we have to make. Buildings we are making are 4-6 storey.

eugene 02-16-2010
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looks like your job size need is a reed b-50 there is a 2006 repo in phoenix arizona for 30K no picture but have a equipment number and a contact that iam not sure to post 

REEDPumps 02-16-2010
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thanks Eugene - I agree that the B50 is better for what he's doing.

I'm quoting him on a good used demo 2002 B50 we own.

Thanks!

Mike Newcomb
REED Concrete Pumps
www.reedpumps.com
mike.newcomb@reedmfg.com


biged 02-16-2010
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Mike my question for you is why not put your viberator on the under side of your grate with it on the top side its to easy for a careless mixer driver to back his chute into it a damage it, I know being under it will get more concrete build up but it will always work.


REEDPumps 02-16-2010
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hey there Biged - I've never had a customer call me and say a mixer driver busted off their vibrator - but - we really don't sell vibrators on many of our line pumps. Sounds like a good suggestion though -  I'll pass it by our Engineers to see what they think...

One thing we DID start doing about a year or so ago is angling our hopper splash guards so they're less likely to get banged up by mixer chutes - I think this change was from a suggestion we had a while back from one of our Dealers in Florida, Mr. Earl Bouck.

Anyway Biged, thanks very much for the suggestion...

Mike @ REED


b-alto 02-16-2010
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Thats a nice looking pump.

eugene 02-16-2010
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hey mike i did notice that it was common of the back spashes were getting hammered, bet the new dangle will help. so while i have you on here do you know the ford truck model you have with the B-45 on it. my queston is can you slide the pony motor foward to back of the cab. clearing the wash box. i think it would balance the truck better and i load 17 foot hoses horse shoed so i can pull them off eighter side standing at the courner of the bed. thats the set up i would have. the schwing model on a ford 550 will not work, the cab to axle is a foot short. would have to separate a putz trailer unit and make up new hyd hose lengths. all custom and expendsive trail and error. 

poolguymi 02-16-2010
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Reed is great company to deal with. I was new to business, ton of help and advise. Machine is great. No regrets

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


tebequip 02-17-2010
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No doubt that Reed is a great company and group of people to work with. Equipment speaks for itself. New or used. They will do the job.

bisley57 02-17-2010
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I met a guy who went to work for Reed 15-20 years ago,he was a mechanical genius.Auto-lube on the line pumps?

REEDPumps 02-17-2010
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Thanks for saying the nice stuff about REED Poolguymi and Tom! - we've worked really hard to earn our reputation...

Bisley57 - You are probably referring to Duane Remus - the mechanical genius - yep, he's the brains behind our awesome trailer pumps - see photos of him getting a ConcretePumping.com Lifetime Achievement Award from Todd here: http://www.concretepumping.com/dictionary/index.php/Remus%2C_Duane

And yes, we do offer Autolube as an option on the trailer pumps, but not too many people order it just because there are so few grease points and they're all easily accessible. We can - and do - just about anything our customer wants...

Mike Newcomb @ REED
www.reedpumps.com
mike.newcomb@reedmfg.com
Tel: 909-287-2100


REEDPumps 02-17-2010
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OK Eugene - about REED Truck-Mounted Line Pumps - that's a lot to cover here. But that image you are talking about is a B Series line pump on a Ford F450 (see the photo of that machine above).

Yes, it is possible to move the motor toward the front of the cab (customers have sent me photos of what they've done themselves...some are pretty, some are kind of sketchy).

We would be able to mount the REED Line Pump however you want it done...but to hire us to do it isn't cheap. Instead of being done on the production line with the rest of the REED Line Pumps, it would be taken to a special area where our engineers and welders and painters would create your dream pump - and everything would be done right. If you want pricing, please call me and we can work you up a quote for your dream pump...but, as I said - it will be expensive compared to just buying a trailer pump.

My personal thoughts on Truck Mounted Line Pumps is that in theory they are a good idea, but in practice...they're really not worth the extra expense/hassle. Here's why - the pump will outlive your truck...so you'd have to re-mount it when you get a new truck, which is a pain. Also, if your truck is in the shop - so is your pump...and vice versa. And what about on the weekends when you want to take your truck to a nice restaurant...do you really want do pull up in a T Series pump? It has its place in areas where there is no extra space at all - like New York City...I guess the extra pain of having to maneauver a trailer in such tight areas makes it worth having a T Series Pump but ONLY in New York or other areas like that (see what we did for our New York Dealer, Almeida, and his REED B70 Line Pump - this is a great little tight city package)...


bisley57 02-17-2010
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A trailer with double shift cylinders with lots of nerve........Use mostly for what we call pea gravel,or up to 1.5 gravel.Also plenty of push for shotcrete applications,no big gravel,pipe is too heavy.Maybe closed-loop system for efficiency?Wash out pump......

SUPERDOFFER 02-19-2010
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there is some thing overlooked in trilling's topic and that he is from europe and reed don't sel in europe.

REEDPumps 02-19-2010
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Actually, we've got a lot of REED line pumps working all over Europe right now (UK, Spain, Portugal, Germany, Norway, Russia, Romania, Bulgaria, Serbia, Poland...)

A few summers ago the boss and I spent time in Croatia trying to sell REED line pumps - as far as I know that's one of the few countries where there isn't a REED yet. Croatia is a really beautiful, relatively undeveloped country with a LOT of potential for shotcrete & line pumps. (TONS of just amazing hilly coastline...pools, line pumping) 

We called on a lot of construction/ready-mix/pool companies and there really weren't any takers - - which is why we would love to finally get a REED line pump there...even a used 2002 B50 would make me very happy...


SUPERDOFFER 02-19-2010
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REEDPumps is waitzinger say something to you???????????

SUPERDOFFER 02-19-2010
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I am sorry but some one has a serius question. and an other one steels his topic for advertising.

REEDPumps 02-19-2010
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Waitzinger makes a great boom pump - we partnered with them for years and there are many REED/Waitzinger boom pumps all over the world that we have sold.

We still work with Waitzinger, as we are still happily servicing those same customers every day. Unfortunately, the Euro started getting VERY expensive a few years ago - and we no longer purchase Waitzinger kits. This is especially true now with the state of the US Boom Pump market.


REED Line Pumps are and always have been California-made. Waitzinger has sold some of the REED Line Pumps for us throughout Europe over the past years. (we send the line pumps to Europe in shippong containers - just a few thousand bucks to get to Bremerhaven, Germany). Our other European REED Dealers have sold REED Line Pumps throughout Europe as well. I guess what I am saying is that I am very sincere about selling a used B50 line pump to Trilling. We will take very good care of him - and the pump will last him for many, many years.

In my opinion, REED makes the most heavy-duty line pumps available on the market today. Most of them have more horsepower and concrete pressure than all of our competitors. They are really awesome line pumps. When Putz and Schwing focused on booms for the past 10 years, we just kept making better and better line pumps...and it shows.

OK - off my soap box now. Back to work :)


pumpjockey 02-20-2010
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Maybe he'll want to option up to the C50 in this thread: http://www.concretepumping.com/index.php?mode=newboard&act=topic&tid=1954

SUPERDOFFER 02-21-2010
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 http://www.concretepumping.com/index.php?mode=newboard&act=topic&tid=1954

SUPERDOFFER 02-21-2010
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Ok back on topic Trilling said he has a smal constuction firm, if i was him i infest my time and money in a smal towercrane like thishttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNLiNmKz3Ag and do the smal poors my self and stay out of the pumping bisnes.