As an industry standard should manufacturers start sending xtra dunnage with boom pumps when they are picked up from there factories ? Would this not set an industry standard ? Wouldnt a person just starting out realize the importance of the dunnage if the manufacturer had it on the new pump ? Shouldnt all companies supply dunnage on all pumps ? seems very cost effective to me it saves the pads plus it saves your pumps 99% of the time if used effectively. 

Pudg,

They are in the pump business not the wood business. It made me mad the first time that I heard that; now I think I understand.

How much wood/dunnage should you get with your pump? Do you get enough to set it up in a swamp or on crushed rock? Is it a warranty item when it breaks? Who pays the guy with the broken back when the dunnage fails? “Well your honor, this is what came with my pump; what could I do?” When your operator looses one or two pieces do you need to re-order from the factory?

They are in the pump business not the wood business. ;~)

well they should be in the business of making them safe,dunnage makes them safe they are not in the outrigger pad business but they come with them they are not warranty items they could do dica pads or something,someone has to set the standard they should be where it starts.

not getting on you Bob someone has got to get this across,its so easy 3 ea.rough cut 4" x 8" x 36" to 40" for each outrigger makes a total of 12 very very inexpensive ,the plastic dunnages were gonna be a little to expensive for a company on a tight budget these rough cuts really work well, now from a manufacturers point of view I would go with the DICA because you could just addem on to the price,or atleast suggest them to prospective buyers without the fear of them breaking, those pads and dunnages are the best by far and will last I want say forever cause Im not God but if they dont they will replace them.

I am with you there man.

I think ALL PUMPS should come from the factory with  Pads

My factory supplied pads are sufficient 98% of the time. There's always plenty of wood on jobs the rest of the time. Further I won't set my pump up like some of these crazy set ups I'm seeing on here. Either give me a semi-level solid place to sit or call someone else it's not worth it to me.

what about the other 2% ? ive been on jobs where u cant find anything sturdy enuff for dunnage,its so much easier to supply them on the pump if youve never had them you just dont realize how much easier and safer they make jobs,i guess the other 2% jobs you just dont do ? i know you dont set a pump up unsafe.the ones (2%) you dont do would pay for them 10 times over,tip a pump over and well you do the math.

The other 2% I find the wood on the job, there's always plenty. Working with concrete means there's wood for forms and such.  To me, if a customer expects me to make a set up that's not on flat/firm ground they should have available the wood I need.  Think about it, cranes do carry their own dunnage, but they also get a flat and stoned place to put the crane. Why don't pumpers?

ok, ill bite, now as op./eng. as we are, we know (or should know) right from wrong, so the next time ur on one of those "big jobs" with plenty of wood on site, ask the super if u could take a few pieces for ur pump as back up, tell him some dipwad ran it last and left it on his job and u dont like to be unsafe, 99.9% of the time the sup. will understand and gladley give you some "scrap" wood.

just because the pump doesnt come w/it, is no excuse for not picking some up at your earliest convinience, if u go hunting and buy a new rifle and it comes with 10 rounds, does that mean u have to stop hunting after ur 10th shot? didnt think so,some one said(probably bob)the pad is not the end to the out rigger,but the biggining.

wise words i live by

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In this discussion I have not heard what the pump owners responsility is,mmmm.As I see it the manufacturer is offering a basic pad,anything beyond that is plus-plus to buyer.I could just imagine the lawsuits to include the manufacturer because an operators used poor judgement.Then again what responsibility does the contractor have?

Simply put,I was in command of that tuna boat.If I couldn't get sound footing for my riggers,that boom didn't fly.Just bring my check,I'll call a cab.

with all due respect typesdubs we dont operate cranes, we live in a imperfect world ,all forms are not made of wood all jobs do NOT have appropriate dunnage,I can see it now a whole bunch of 2x4s under a outrigger oh but thats all they had bullshit its your pump we as operators should carry our own equipment when possible if a crane needs mats they have them delivered are they are figured into the job well we dont have that advantage all the time there is plenty of unused space on a pump for dunnage,its not the contractors responsibility its yours to make sure that pump is setup safely,true in some instances the contractor will need to provide matts but most times those are the jobs planned in advance,the last minute call ins the 2nd round jobs you need to be prepared and its cheap we are talking maybe $100 per pump and its so much easier not looking for wood and substandard dunnage on a job,now I understand about setting up on inclines Im not saying you should have a truckload of lumber just a little more than a 24"x24" pad

I have 2 extra round pads 120 cm in diameter (47") and a little crane on the suportleg to lift them down and up , most up . And the are easy to roll to the leg who needs it , Left right or front....

Allmost so You can stand on muddy water !

And if not they are enough , it is the builders problem .

with all due respect typesdubs we dont operate cranes,mmm

In all reality it's exactly the same.A pump of course does not pick loads but it does convey the weights in the boom.I do have a question,who in the crane industry dictated an oiler and a flatbed truck with dunnage? For the sake of argument say the acpa set rules all booms over X size required an oiler and the truck?

I have a hot news flash to all,what's the contractor going to do "pay the priemium" The redi mix companies are sted fast against pouring to close to banks for a reason,go figure.Once an idustry standard is set it will meet resistance,perhaps the acpa and osha should get involved to set these standards for the safety of all,not to mention the insurance carriers.

Everyone will probably agree that years ago Schwing was setting the standards. They USED TO supply dunnage with the pump. They do not do that any more.

 The operator is the only one that knows what kind of ground he is setting up on. The company he works for has a responsibility to supply him with the equipment he needs to safely do the job. Most of the time that means dunnage; some times it means crane pads or steel sheets. A pretty much agreed on division is that the pump company supply dunnage and the contractor supply crane pads and steel sheets. The Mfg' gives you a pad to build under, thats it.

PS; For you job site scavengers out there.... 3 chunks of 2x4 do not equal a 4x6.

many,

we are not like cranes at all,but if thats the case I have run cranes and we supplied dunnage if we needed laminated mats they were added to the job ,pumps cant do that we cant place mats as we go so your ideology is wrong,we are concrete pumps not cranes we should supply some amount of dunnage to make sure weve done what we can to make our jobs safe there will be ones that what we have is not enuff and you have to deal with them as they come but showing up with 24x24 inch pads to unfold a 120 ft boom is not sufficient

Sorry I'm not a lumber yard on wheels. I have yet to be on a job in 8 years where I haven't found what I've needed to SAFELY set up. If I need steel plates they are provided for me as well.  What's next guys, you're going to bring plates on the deck, short rig, set the plates down for yourselves, then put your outriggers out all the way.

can we say PROFESSIONAL nuff said im done with this topic probably be looking at the undersides of some of yalls pumps be safe and i bet yall  run double ended hoses in my opinion no dunnage  is worse than that just my opinion

Perhaps things are just different around here. If I can't set my machine up safely I'll leave, simple as that.  I'm not going to flip over my livelyhood because the jobsite is in poor shape or there isn't some extra dunnage around for me.