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bigboom 07-14-2007
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how many of you guys run by dot hours? here they think that as long that my truck can run so can i.

James 07-14-2007
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Take the money and run.  Things may not be so good in the future.  You never know.  Sleep when you can etc.  sometimes 15 minutes here and there can mean all the difference in how you feel and your alertness. 

Mudslinger 07-15-2007
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James: Dude what the hell are you thinking??Not only is your well being at issue here,but the safety of those around you also! Why do you think DOT has these rules? To take money from your pocket? GET REAL!! If you've pulled an 16 hour shift and hurt someone on the drive home,tell them about the money! Everyone here knows your company is going to distance themselves from you(I don't care who they are,it's a matter of survival) and hang you to dry.It's not all about you! The lives of others are at stake here! As I've said here before "If you are not part of the solution,you're part of the problem" ! You've just shown what you're made of!

littlepumper 07-15-2007
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we've all done it i'm sure. The dispatchers push us, and if we refuse to take another job after already putting in 10 hrs. then they act as though we don't want to work and start working other people before you. Or sometimes another pump breaks down and you're covering for both pumps, it happens. The bills have to get paid. I put in 63 hrs. overtime in one week, It was work, eat, sleep that's it. Shop politics!

38zman 07-16-2007
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Hey just do what makes you safe dont let anyone push you and push now on the other hand if you were where I live in Ontario you cant seem to get enough hours here way to many pump companies popping up.

Doug 07-16-2007
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Dot driver hours rules are law not suggestions.

ROOK 07-17-2007
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brings up a good question, Whats the most hours someone has put in in one shift without sleep. i can remember the days when monday was the only day i was on regular time and the rest of the week was double time because i lived out of my cab. James i am with you take the money and run sleep when you can and then enjoy the times that it is slow...Any minute i am sure bob will take time out of his busy day and put his two cents in on this

Seed 07-18-2007
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I say take the money and run also without putting anyone, thing or yourself in danger. Sleep in the cab when you can. The only true reward in this industry is" THE MONEY." The pump operator that brings home a grand a week is the " HAPPY PUMPER "

bigboom 07-19-2007
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i have put 40 hours in on one shift. one job to the next. as long as i can keep moving im good, but as soon as there is a break in mud power nap time

James 07-20-2007
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I agree with you and please do not misconstrue what I meant by what I said.  That is the reason I said 15 minutes here and there can help alot. If an operator has been pushed past his limit then they need to speak up and say enough.  If an operator is being pushed too hard then they need to take the time when they can to rest.

Winston Churchill, during WW2, worked and average of 18 hours a day for years.  He was able to do this by taking naps here and there.  He was able to stay sharp.


Slavedattler 07-21-2007
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Well the old days cough I worked 74 hours with 15min naps. I can say, there are pink elephants and dorthy was real cute.Luckly the log books were new in Washington state and the scale gaurd had been there done that and made me sleep 12hrs but not before turning up the heat in the chicken coup and went through the whole rule book in 1hrs 10 min. I was ready to hang myself, never did I do that again hehe.No fine but then that was a while ago.

 


Bob 07-21-2007
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I wanted to let this topic play out for a while before listing the rules/LAW. Many companies fall under the 'Short Haul' regs.

HOURS-OF-SERVICE RULES

2003 Rule
Property-Carrying CMV Drivers
Compliance Through 09/30/05

2005 Rule
Property-Carrying CMV Drivers
Compliance On & After 10/01/05

May drive a maximum of 11 hours after 10 consecutive hours off duty.

NO CHANGE

May not drive beyond the 14th hour after coming on duty, following 10 consecutive hours off duty.

NO CHANGE

May not drive after 60/70 hours on duty in 7/8 consecutive days.

·                           A driver may restart a 7/8 consecutive day period after taking 34 or more consecutive hours off duty.

NO CHANGE

Commercial Motor Vehicle (CMV) drivers using a sleeper berth must take 10 hours off duty, but may split sleeper-berth time into two periods provided neither is less than 2 hours.

CMV drivers using the sleeper berth provision must take at least 8 consecutive hours in the sleeper berth, plus 2 consecutive hours either in the sleeper berth, off duty, or any combination of the two.

Passenger-carrying carriers/drivers are not subject to the new hours-of-service rules. These operations must continue to comply with the hours-of-service limitations specified in 49 CFR 395.5.

 

Simply stated the new rule means:

·                           Drivers may drive up to 11 hours in the 14-hour on-duty window after they come on duty following 10 or more consecutive hours off duty.

·                           The 14-hour on-duty window may not be extended with off-duty time for meal and fuel stops, etc.

·                           The prohibition on driving after being on duty 60 hours in 7 consecutive days, or 70 hours in 8 consecutive days, remains the same, but drivers can "restart" the 7/8 day period anytime a driver has 34 consecutive hours off duty.

·                           CMV drivers using the sleeper berth provision must take at least 8 consecutive hours in the sleeper berth, plus 2 consecutive hours either in the sleeper berth, off duty, or any combination of the two.

Short-Haul Provision

Drivers of property-carrying CMVs which do not require a Commercial Driver's License for operation and who operate within a 150 air-mile radius of their normal work reporting location:

·                           May drive a maximum of 11 hours after coming on duty following 10 or more consecutive hours off duty.

·                           Are not required to keep records-of-duty status (RODS).

·                           May not drive after the 14th hour after coming on duty 5 days a week or after the 16th hour after coming on duty 2 days a week.

Employer must:

·                           Maintain and retain accurate time records for a period of 6 months showing the time the duty period began, ended, and total hours on duty each day in place of RODS.

 

Drivers who use the above-described Short-haul provision are not eligible to use 100 Air-mile provision 395.1(e) or the current 16-hour exception in 395.1 (o).

 

In developing these hours-of-service regulations, the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) systematically and extensively researched both United States and international health and fatigue studies and consulted with Federal safety and health experts. Our roads are better designed, constructed, and maintained in a nationwide network to provide greater mobility, accessibility, and safety for all highway users. Vehicles have been dramatically improved in terms of design, construction, safety, comfort, efficiency, emissions, technology, and ergonomics. These factors, combined with years of driver fatigue and sleep disorder research, led to a revision of the hours-of-service regulations for drivers.

 

FMCSA will continue working with its partners and stakeholders to assure a smooth transition to the new regulations. Please join us in working together to implement these new regulations for the continuing improvement of motor carrier safety. For more information or additional outreach materials, visit the FMCSA's Web site at www.fmcsa.dot.gov.

 


peter pumper 07-22-2007
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What if I am just drive my Pickup to the job sight and just running the pump no driving the pump how many hours can I pump?

Bob 07-22-2007
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Pete,

It is determined by "work hours".

Your clock starts when you begin to get paid.


peter pumper 07-22-2007
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They are currently working crews out here 6  10s and some are working 7 12s including operators and cranes.  All of the truck drivers at the copper mine are working 12s and they drive 340 ton trucks.

Bob 07-22-2007
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The thing about compliance is.... Personal Responsibility!

You are responsible for you, and everyone that is affected by your actions, legal and illegal. ;~)


Mudwrestler 09-01-2008
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I've seen those hospital TV shows and the doctors seem to work a lot longer hours than us pump operators and there jobs seem just a little more tecnical than ours.But thats just my opinion