I just wanted to let you know that I dont really want down pumps on the message board. The reason is kind of long winded so i will give you the short version.

Down pumps gets everyone going and divides people who are on the site. I used to post pump down pictures all the time and it just made so many people mad at me all the time so it just got to were it was not worth the trouble. I hope you guys understand.

The pic’s are exciting but they do not inform or educate. If there is an incident with a pump it is more important to know why than who. I don’t care who has the accident. I do want to know to prevent it from happening again. Sometimes a picture can show a detail or situation that might be hard to describe. I think that those pic’s need to be posted.

Whatever you do – don’t make everyone beg for the answer to the first question that we all have.

“Is everyone alright?”

thanks ;~)

not showing a picture isn't going to change the fact that a pump went down, (even if its 10 years ago)  but will show an operator why your head better be in the game 100% of the time.  seeing and discussing pics of a downed pump can help prevent future down pumps.

i dont care who the operator is or who owns the pump,  its about trying to prevent preventable accidents and that aint going to happen hiding our skeletons in the closet.

I agree with short stick.  The company or opperator means nothing to me, but learning how something happened or why is invaluable information to those who do not get a lot of exposure to other pumps and different set ups.  For example; there was a picture up of a truck that was on its side about a week ago.  That photo is a good reminder of what could happen if you get even a little bit off the road and sucked in by the mud.  If we do not learn from our history, we are bound to repeat it.

'A picture paints a thousand words'

The use of "reality" pics to show what can and DOES go wrong can be a superb aid for training, briefing, and information purposes - I use these types of pictures often to clearly demonstrate implications of poor planning, or operation.

It is important though to ensure the pics are used constructively to raise awareness and improve standards, and not just as a means of ridiculing an individual (eg, the pump operator) or a company - very often it is the insufficient technical understanding by others (eg, the hirer or site management) that can lead to these incidents occurring.

Hear Hear. I can not think of any good reason for Todd to delete this post that should be educational to all operators and owners.

OK, take the pi’c of that old 42 that was up. What did/could anyone learn from that?

All the pi’cs were poorly taken. None of them had any detail, The fact that you cannot boom over ‘short’ outriggers is on page 1 – book 1 – sentence 1 of every operators manual. It is one of those [no-brainers] doing it means your brain was in the off position. All those pictures did way add insult to injury.

you cant post flipped pumps but we allow people catching pigs kind of weird dont understand but its not my house not my rules.

Yeah, that is pretty weird.

If there is some value in the down pump pictures they should stay on the board too.

Bob - you have the advantage here I think - I and probably many others, have not seen the (deleted) pictures, therefore cannot comment specifically on the situation involving that pump.

As you quite rightly say, poor quality, low information, badly positioned, pictures would not convey the whole story.

My comments - if that is who you are responding to - were of a general nature, and I would reiterate that 'reality' pics DO convey good info, as long as they are used in a fair manner.

Safety Mike 

You have a point. But in all honesty those pic's were UNeducational, fluff only.

If there is something real representative of an issue I will fight to keep them/it on the board.

But it is Todd's house

AND - if you have some pictures put them in the photo hopper ;~)

Todd, If I recall, a while back you had a video of a pump running a stop sign!! Soooo, I guess it would be OK to send in a video of the pump going over if available... right? I hope I'm understanding you correctly in your rules and regulations about NO pics. Or is it Not to embarrass a future sponsor for your site? Run a stop sign or flip a pump?? which is more severe in your opinion? just curious

I really don't know if anyone noticed but the left front rigger was in the stowed position,image that.Was there a lesson to be learned? perhaps.I fail to believe it was short rigged.

People really do need to see the results of bad judgment,how else would they grasp the real meaning of stuipid.Somewhere in my archieves I have a pic on I believe x-mass/new years eve of a 52m laying against a major power sourse.It wasn't the regular operator,just a beginer on a machine they couldn't understand.

Names and companies of course should be omited and see the real deal.Mistakes hurt.

I think pictures can show someone what can happen in an industrial work setting, but...most people are not technical minded, they not have engineering backgrounds, and are merely "speculating" based on past experiences. Boom equipment is engineered to work according to spec. Once you deviate from spec you are pretending to be an engineer, and sooner or later you will create a problem...because you "thought" it should work ok. Your decisions are not based on engineering principle, just hunches.

Very true and well put

there a good point made by TooTall and Many.  that style of outrigger should NEVER be in the 'swung' closed position when the boom was out of the craddle.

pump set-up 101

If someone is running a pump with "swing out" outriggers and does'nt know that, (set up 101) They need alot more help than this web site or any picture ever posted on it! 

  Sorry Todd, I could'nt resist. I tried really hard but I just have to...

"Set-up 101"  or "Set-up 895"  ---   can't fix stupid.  the hope is  --  show what 'Stupid' is, so it does not happen again. ??

the weight and power that is at OUR finger tips can be classified as a weapon.  KEEP YOUR HEAD in the game and remember why these pumps have tires up. 

Lovin it TooTall

Lovin IT TooTall :)