Lay Flat Hose
ahssci 05-16-2014
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If you dont have one....you should. My operator loves it. Problem is I have one hose and 4 trucks. Just came back from some foam block walls. Contractor said that is all he wants for now on.


stonezer 05-16-2014
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Get 3 ply lay flat..like firehose..use exhaust clamp to attach it to reducer..then when after a use look inside when cleaning..when you see the center layer replace..with the brundage type once it wears it's done


ShortStik 05-16-2014
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i dont get it?


Michael C 05-19-2014
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So you want people to use a product that doesn't meet the pressures of the pump? You want them to open themselves up to the liability of using an inferior hose? Isn't our job tough enough without opening up ourselves to excess liability? Use the right product everytime. Look in your owners manual of your pump. You are informed to use products on the pump that can handle the working pressure of the pump. These standards are on the books in many areas as well. Why be negligent?


cp 05-19-2014
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Well said Michael! Anyone who thinks they should make something like that is begging to be sued if something were to happen. Properly manufactured lay flat hoses work awesome, i agree with the first comment on the post. Do your company a favor and spend the extra money for a properly made hose.


stonezer 05-23-2014
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Wow bash the crap out of me..decades before there was a mud snake I used my method..hundreds of jobs, never ever an issue, even had end folded over on 30 foot full flat hose..worked directly with "Snap- tite " to develop the correct pressure / strength hose , tested 3 types of clamps before correct one was chosen..engineered properly, I was a statistical engineer before I was an operator, I have 2 mechanical engineers as sons as well as a pump operator and a to be doctor in college, in 24 years in ever so much as caused a single accident,I build and fabricate equipment tested to 3 times acceptable tolerance..wtf are you guys the engineering police ..your comments make you feel important, baseless hogcrap ..just throw your cash at something that's going to wear out..mindless !! Here's a challenge..use your walnut to build one..American hose bought out snap tite..get some 3 ply yellow hose..banjo clamp it to a 5x4 reducer..approx 10 foot long   tie the end over..and fill it full of Crete ..over the clean out spot..swing it around..knock it off the ground..seriously where does innovation begin..with a individual taking time to figure it out..no wonder there's a shortage of operators..brain dead..go run a screed


stonezer 05-23-2014
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By the way I have blown steel braided hose to pieces ..working pressure of the pump..lol..if you pay attention you won't push when a lay flat hose goes round..

 


cp 05-26-2014
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In this day and age it seems everyone is sue happy. The comments i have made about the fold flat hoses are specifically geared towards the arguement of LIABILITY. Who is responsible when a hose or piece of system fails? Let  me be the devils advocate for a minute.

Lets just say you have 2 worst case senarios here:

Senario #1 The manufactured hose bought from a reputable hose manufacturer blows for whatever reason and one of the guys standing close to it was injured, this accident is clearly not the fault of you (the pump contractor) and is Obviously a manufacturer defect. Said reputable manufacturer has quite a bit of design, engineering, testing, and R&D invested into this product before it is ever offered to the pump contractor for sale. Not to mention the huge ammount of money spent in LIABILITY insurance to cover their butt when something like this happens.

Senario #2 Same blown hose accident happens, but the equipment involved was homemade by the pumping contractor who is not a hose manufacturer, dosent have any engineering, or design background specifically in the area of concrete hose, dosent have manufacturers liability, dosent have any test data, dosent have any R&D.

 

My question to you is this: In the event of litigation, between the 2 senarios listed, who stands a better chance of making it out of the court battle with their business still intact, and able to get insurance underwritten after its all said and done? 

 

My comments about your post are not to bash, but rather to get you to think about the bigger picture. Im sure your homemade foldflat hose is a great success and lasts quite well compared to everything else that is out there. i also have no doubt that you did your research and everything involved in your hose is well within the limitations of what your using it for. But remember: A big part of the cost when you buy pump parts, or hose, or anything else from a reputable source is INSURANCE!

Not long ago there was a thread on this website about (some not all) Asian system being cheap to purchase and cheap to perform in the long run. guess what, they wont go to bat for you when it comes time to talk to the jury, and why are they so cheap? think about it. Remember we (pump contractors) are our own best advocate when we get to the job, we have a duty to protect not only our own interests and saftey, but everyone elses on the job too.

 


cp 05-26-2014
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I wanted to add more to my post, but i need to get back to "Running my screed"


Michael C 05-27-2014
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I agree that people engineer inventions to pave the way forward. I agree this instance is liability. It was clearly stated above. Take all the chance you want, just understand that you may be found negligent in this sue happy world. Negligence will take away your house and/or all your stuff if the right attorney gets ahold of it. MOVE OVER, I'LL GRAB THE OTHER END OF THE SCREED.