Well here they are more pictures from today.

Today was the rest of the colums.

Everyone have a safe weekend, i'm off lol

And HAPPY FATHERS DAY

Got to represent my coutry in the eurocup.
This is inside the cab. But also very very proud to work in america, and be a american citizen!

That's me..

Enjoy the weekend

well, this should be good, lol, going to take the focus off dunnage 

Hi Tiago,

Thanks For posting Some Good Pictures I enjoyed them. I am glad you understood I was not picking on you about the Safety Sling. I do however have to point out somthing again, the third picture up from the bottom. Do your self a favor, Take that S-bend off your pump and throw it in the garabage. There have been many injuries and lawsuits from when things "go Wrong", with those things. If I had one on my truck its grounds for termination.

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Here you go... Have a wonderful weekend!

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OE Local 3	06-14-2008 07:58:05

oe3, abouth the s-bend, i printed that off before and showed to the boss and he dismissed as nothing to worry about, also the state i'm fron requires us to use them on bridge decks, so then what do u do???? i've seen what hose whipping can do put kinda between a rock and a hard place any advice would be helpfull, thanks

 caliber34

What state is that?

hey OE3 i understand your point.

Now about that s-bend. here we call it a ( Manual shut-off valve)  I use it with a diferent purpose than reduceing the speed of concrete.I use it with the purpose of stoping free falling concrete.  See out here we cant make a mess at all. Now tell me what would you do if you have to pour colums on the 10th floor and have nothing at the end of the hose. where is that free falling concrete going to go while you are moving the pump from colum to colum. Its  going to splash all over the last slab you poured and then fall down into the street. all over the cars and the people that are walking by. I used this part for over 2 years now, and never had a problem. its allways the same guy thats been working with it.

Does anyone have better solution for this problem?????

YES !!!

The device is called an "Air Cuff"

We have had many, many posts about it.

My personal opinion is that Vasa has perhaps the best solution.

Speedy,

Good picture of the "old style" velocity reducer. It has slowed the velocity of many a man..... but the new style is faster and more deadly. ;~)

Even an 'air-cuff' is not ideal.  Sure it cuts off the flow but there is still residue in the hose from the air-cuff down.  I'm not going to boom off the 10th floor of a building back toward the ground with an air-cuff because something always dribbles out of those.  The most effective non-dribble technique I've found is a good 'ol wire halo after kinking the hose.  No runs, no drips, no errors.

art, its the inspectors (state) that are making me use the thing, I don't wana use it nor dose the placing crew, we've even said that its gona get somebody hurt. i'm on edge everytime i put the thing on but if I show up w/out it then they won't let me pour. its all about the air test i'm sure you know what i mean. i'd like to throw the thing in the garbage cause thats where it belongs. if they woould just test it at point of placement instead of having me shut it off and boom back then there would be no problem w/the air with out it.

("hey OE3 i understand your point.

Now about that s-bend. here we call it a ( Manual shut-off valve)  I use it with a diferent purpose than reduceing the speed of concrete.I use it with the purpose of stoping free falling concrete.  See out here we cant make a mess at all. Now tell me what would you do if you have to pour colums on the 10th floor and have nothing at the end of the hose. where is that free falling concrete going to go while you are moving the pump from colum to colum. Its  going to splash all over the last slab you poured and then fall down into the street. all over the cars and the people that are walking by. I used this part for over 2 years now, and never had a problem. its allways the same guy thats been working with it." )

Does anyone have better solution for this problem?????

Tiago,

I am not trying to be arrogant.

I understand the many uses of the s-bend and I am familiar with all of the different slang names associated  with it.

 When I started my carreer in concrete pumping, I think every Operator in the Bay area had one on their pump. I personally had one, it too also had a Manual Shut off valve. I used it for at least 5 years for the same purposes you did. To slow down the mud, make less splatter and a convienent shut off for the customer to prevent messes. I too never had an accident or a problem using one, but that doesnt mean that it was safe, I was just plain lucky. The same goes for double ended hoses , they were also used as tip hoses all the time.

I used to know a guy that was married , had four kids, owned a house , he had it all until he got hit in the head with one of these so called tools of the trade. It gave him a massive brain injury and he was on life support for two weeks until his wife had to ask doctors to pull the plug.

You said : "Out here we cant make a mess" I live in California, Trust me we probably have more clowns here that are worried about messes. for darn sake we have Tree siters " people that will make their home in a tree to protest against it being cut down. I could go on and on. What I am trying to say is pumps have been around for along time here and many of the laws governing concrete pumps have evolved from here.

They shouldnt have pedestrians or cars parked underneath your pour that is dangerous ! The general contractor shouldnt allow that to happen. I have been on jobs before and I looked down from a deck and saw their were pedestrians walking under my outriggers or seen people that were in an area that they possibly could get splattered. I speak up and stop the pour until the situation is resolved. Because in the end, I may be blammed and held responsible  if someone gets hurt.

I believe that keeping someone safe is a little more important than splattering concrete on the last slab. We get splatters on existing concrete all the time after it dries it is very easy to clean off. We have laborers here doing that job out here all the time. like when pouring a pan deck and you get all the seepage on the next floor , they just scrape it up.

I am not trying to be a jerk, although you may think so.I just want to make my point to all those folks that are still using them out there. Like I said before it is an automatic termination if I am found with one. and it is not legal in California as well is being illegal with the concrete pumping manufactures association wich makes them illegal anywhere.

As far as a solution well you can order a  "air -cuff" from CONFORMS. Or do it the old fashion way, kink the hose. We always have a special mix for columns and most the time use a 3" one ended hose which very easy to kink when your hose man is on a ladder , tied off and running the hose.

I hope We can get some good feedback on this post. I hope there are people out there who agree with me. We seem to spend alot of time on this subject along with double ended hoses. I hear alot of exuses or justifications of why these are in use ,I am not your Mom or your safety officer, nor do I want to be, Its because I care about our fellow Operators, and want us to be on the same page when it comes to safety not a fight about wrong and wright.

I hope you will entertain the idea of being safe. 

Well enjoy your Sunday and have a good week at work.

Brian.......3 

Hi: BETTER than a wire"halo" is the belt from a Ford diesel with a vacum pump! Use the serpentine style because it is wider and its only about 18"in diameter! When you fold your hose put the belt on in a figure 8, that way it's got contact with about 80% of the hose and it won't slip off ! If you use the hard wire halo and you bump something,it can slide off!

Well I told myself I would not post anything to threads on this subject because this subject just goes no where but there is so much misinformation in this one I feel I should put in by 2 cents.

For those of you that have not read my other posts on this subject I have stated I do not use a double 90 or double ended hose on a regular bases. I have a double 90 and a double ended hose and would use them if I had to. I use a 5 to 3 reducing hose and I can tell you from experience that I never had a 4 inch double 90 whip but I have had a 5 to 3 either whip or plug many times.

My main problem with this whole subject is I would like to have some facts on how dangerous metal on the end of the boom hose is. I asked for some stats in another thread on how many people are hurt by metal on the end of the hose. I got two examples of a non metal end hose hurting two people. Of course the conclusion I could jump to is tip hoses should be outlawed. Anyone in favor of that?

Now we have one example from oe3, that is good now we are working with some facts, in another thread someone else hinted that they new of more cases but did not say anything else. I do not understand why if this is such a bad problem someone does not jump in here with a list of metal on the end of the hose accidents.

As far as I know and can find osha does not have any rules on tip hoses, if anyone can point me to the ruling please do. The statement that metal on the end of tip hoses is illegal in all states is not true. I do not think ACPA rules have any legal standing unless officially accepted by the state or osha.

Know I am ready these threads always end in a personal attack on who ever does not toe the line for no metal on the end of tip hoses. Mr. No Personal Attaches has called me a potential murder so lets see if anyone can top that.

g'day all,

Tiago, great pics, do keep them coming.

great advice coming to you from these guys, please take it in.

art mentioned the welded 90. do not rely on it. boom tip to reducer with solid chain or cable, rated d shackles, no quick clips as they will also fail. (oldish, one that is soft and easy to kink) single ended 3in hose will do your columns fine. make a kinker, i use 5mm plastic coated cable wire.

now here is the hard part, go back to that job site and tell the foreman that pouring his columns with double 90's and working off step ladders is not done any more, request aluminium scaffold, ask that all handrails are erected and protection meshing is back up in its place.

if that fails give me a call, i'll give you a job.

4 reasons for you to be in australia, 1)our jobs are safer 2)our economy is much better 3)you could play with Harry Kewell in the world cup 4)your good looking, you deserve to be here.

your doing good, keep the pics coming buddy

to the rest of you peeps                                           are you guys in favour or not of the reducing hose concept? as far as i know we dont have them down here, only time i have seen one was at vegas a couple of years back. i know i would not feel comfortable using one, i like to keep the art of concrete pumping behind steel barricades. with the size of booms becoming larger it is near impossible to keep the pump cycling at a rate quick enough to eliminate the air pocket in the pipeline on the majority of the jobs. i could imagine that that accumulation of air could turn itself into one very nasty bomb, well before the pump pressure peaks.  reducing hoses, no thanks. 

I agree reduction hoses should be outlawed before double ended hoses should be,and it doesn't take a rocket scientists to figure out why,keep your reductions in metal and concrete pumping industry will be a safer place

nice pics tiago, just a shame world war 3 had too start out again, all the bitching just because they feel your doing something wrong. just stand your ground with them and dont back down to them.

sccp jamie,

he is doing something wrong,its not about standing your ground its learning from other operators experiences,its kind of like "theres a thin line between bravery and stupidity"I am all for doing the rite thing but double 90's isn't it,the air cuff dont really like it,but its better than the 90's,I think the 5 to 3 metal reducer then a endless 3" hose take some 3-4" water pump discharge hose and a hose clamp attach to the end of the 3" hose use a synch rope to synch this works very well and keeps the mess out of the picture

art,

that is the ass that said that , I think Todd should ban him,he has crossed the line "bravery and stupidity" and just guess which one he falls under,it sure not brave.

hi I'm with alan1 we use a double 90 for doing footing for house floors otherwise you blow the boxing to bits,as for stopping the mess we have a double ended 4"or  3" hose which ever we are using and clamp a cap on it does same job

I have a hard time understanding why on earth anyone on this website feels the need to tell grown men how to and not to run thier pumps. Until you sign his paycheck, you have no right to command a pumpoperator what to do with his equipment.  Everytime someone posts pictures on here, they get blasted by the so called experts.  Please dont hesitate to give advice and help, but stop calling everyone out for the job they are doing.  Because when it comes down to it its really none of your business.

BigStick, i am sorry man but i disagree with you. I respect your opinion but for the most part operators and owners who do not follow the manufactures rules and do things such at getting too close to wires, not using enough dunnage, two ended hoses and double 90s will hurt people. That is just a down right shame, pier pressure and being part of a community that values the lives of each other and helps to make our industry safer and more profitable is a good thing.

Yes it is hard to post a picture and have people pick it apart but the intention is not to be mean but to help that operator and others know how to be safe. Believe it or not but most of the people on this web site love this industry and we feel a real sense of loss when one of our operators dies or kills someone.

This web site has gotten hundreds of emails from all over the world thanking us for helping them.  You would not believe the emails we get about operators telling me that they will now use dunnage when they very rarely have used it before, guys who now use safety straps, guys who now no longer use two ended hoses and from guys telling me that they will no longer get closer than 17' from power lines and they credit to this site and our experts, admins and members for that change.

Have you ever seen this picture? Its from a clamp that opened up and flew up and hit this guy in the leg, can you see the clamp in his cut, were it struck him? This type of injury should never happen.

I dont think we should stop critiquing these pictures I think we should do it more often and more people who are in the know should join in. Yes we should be kind and gentle but to the point. I believe in doing what is right because it is the right thing to do.

Accidents will abound when safe men only look after themselves. We do need to care and look after each other.

I also believe that if your boss is not as safety minded as the industry dictates that it does not relieve your responsibility as an operator to be safe. Do what is safe because it is the safe thing to do.

If your bosses saying is "Do what ever it takes” than you will end up getting hurt or hurting somebody."

I have a good friend who told me that he was shooting birds while riding his sea doo on a lake in California. He did not end up hitting any birds because the water was too rough and he did not end up shooting or hurting any people that day either, he justified his actions because he was in the middle of no were and no people or cops in site. If he could not get in trouble than why not do it.

Owners and operators use two ended hoses, no dunnage, get close than 17’, use double 90s and other crap because they think they can get away with it and for the most part they are right. Some day they will not get away with it, you will get caught, you will hurt somebody.

Safety is important to this site because we do not want to see any of you die or kill someone. We are living in a time were we can not afford to be ignorant or careless, so please be kind and critique all pictures.

Todd.

Todd

Well said.Very cool letter.Up front and stern.Very well said

Ruck

have to agreed with those guy . they are rite, listen up kid you will learn from them. looks like you have been pumpin for only two year. these pumpers have lot moore expereince.

Thats a great analagy Todd. They may get away with it but someday..... they will get caught and someone will get hurt.

ROCK ON TODD

the more i hang around you the more i like you.

now is there anything we can do about BOB, is he your boss, brother or son?

honestly todd, well said, us old guys have been doing it a long time, safety is first, bugger the bosses, bugger the concretors, bugger all the guys that say "IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN TO ME".

gun ho's, racehorses and all 2 year old veterans just be smart and be very very safe, cheers

2IC

Grandfather ;~)

alright Bob, grandsons are cool. (see other post)

I Really did not intend to piss anybody off.  With all due respect, I am the operator, mechanic, salesman, safety director, the pump is 100% my baby.  If I  decide to run a double ended hose it is my business and responsibility.  I have ran pumps for almost twenty years.  Fifty twos, fifty fives, fifty eights, and sixty ones.  Almost fifteen years on big booms alone.  So if I dont fall into the pump police clic, so be it.  To answer Arts question, No I never run a double ended hose,  because I am very safety conscious.  But if I did I stand by my origional post that it is absolutely none of your business.  You run your equipment the way you want and ill do the same.  I am not trying to start a war and I do respect others opinions,  however I dont agree that every on this site points fingers at others.  I dont think people post pictures on here to get fatherly advice, they post because they are proud of thier job and thier equipment.  We all got into this business for the same reason,  we wanted to have the freedom to pretty much be our own boss.  All Im asking is please lighten up on some of these guys.  This is a hard job, especially where Tiago works, I know because I used to pump in the city.  FRANK

bigstick,

" If I  decide to run a double ended hose it is my business and responsibility.  I have ran pumps for almost twenty years.  Fifty twos, fifty fives, fifty eights, and sixty ones.  Almost fifteen years on big booms alone.  So if I dont fall into the pump police clic, so be it.  To answer Arts question, No I never run a double ended hose,  because I am very safety conscious.  But if I did I stand by my origional post that it is absolutely none of your business.  You run your equipment the way you want and ill do the same.  "

So what brand o pump do you use ? you still have  bad attitude towards the rules you want to brake them. just becase you have been doing it for twenty years? make it ok . i dont think that a judge would agree with runnin how you want to. you are a sad example for the pumper industry.

I never said I would a double ended hose.  This is just the example of what I was talking about.  For your information I have never hurt anyone.  Never turned a pump over and never knocked anyone down from a hose whip.  I have personally trained over sixty operators,  they are all very safe and play by the rules.  I have never broken any safety rules.  But it is not up to you or anybody except Todd to tell people what to do.  It is his website and we are  fortunate enough for it.  All im asking for is let people use thier own judgement in thier everyday workplace.  They dont post pictures on here for people like you to criticise.

Wow reading all these posts the bottom line is safety has to be Num 1 all the time and not only when it is convenant to do so. I have been to so many ski related accidents and remember it is the little things that lead to accident I have seen this on the slopes every season It does not matter if it is concrete pumping or anything else. The same logic applies.

 Remember things change rules change.... All the guys who use double 90 `s or double ended hoses or what ever just put them away melt them down do what ever with them but keep them away from your pump. If you have used all these up till you read this and no one has been hurt....awesome.

 But maybe  just maybe your luck will change the next day next week or next yr... and then what.... what will you tell the person you hurt and yes it will be the same person who wanted to use these dammm things anyway or the worst case what will you tell the persons other half and there family.

 I have read so many posts from everyone on here and I can say this we are all responsible people after all look what we do for a living and we all love it or we would not be here...... Just remember the rules change and we have to change with them.... If we still held on to the old ways we would still be living in caves and burning our fingers trying to light a fire....

Stay and play safe everyone....

38zman I talked to Timo 3 days ago , he likes your pump specially the Mack chassi !

Is he still in Canada or has he gone to Washington ?

does any one eles think all this barking and attacking each other is anoying....last couple weeks hes really shown the intelligence of all the so called experts on here ....boy couple days on jobs with some of you would make me want to change my profession.....

 Hi !

I just wonder (not only Tiago , I have seen lots of other pic´s) when you shortrigg , why do you have the front leg that are shortrigged halfway out ? X-model not swingout...

I have learnd both Schwing and Putz should have the supportleg in or out , not in the middle....

Even I have done that , not before I saw a drawing of the reinforcement in the supportleg I stoped to do that...

I think it is some pic in ACPA safteymanual....