Since the prievious thread started I have recieved several mails concerning the viability.So lets look a little further than who's selling it.

From what information provided thus far it is looking kinda good.As I understand there will be a video coming out showing some of the benefits and demonstration.We all agreed the blast net was good for the transition,why not this? It would be nice to get some positive feed back and see the bright side.

i ordered 2, a 10 footer & a 25 footer still waiting for them to come in i'll let you know

People have been making these for years.  It takes all of 25 minutes, and if there's a tire shop in your town, then you can purchase the hose locally (the hose is made by good year).  I've made at least 20 in the past 5 years, and I don't know how these can be any better quality because I've never had a problem with my ones (the reason I've made 20 or so is only because they get lost, never had one slip off the stem or tear apart). 

cp1 what is the CPMA (burst) rating of the one you are using and how are you attaching it to an approved end?

I don't know what the burst rating is, but I know for a fact that you guys don't have a factory making the hose.  Knowing that, I could purchase whatever you guys are purchasing in order to make it - hoses are at 82 working psi, with a 2.5:1 burst, so I'll tell goodyear to get me an equivalent product).  About the approved end, I could easily figure out the failure rate by hooking it into a press and pulling until it fails, but apparently it works because, like I said, never had a problem other than my unorganization which allows me to lose them.

Hi guys! We were making "mudsnakes" 25 years ago! We used Blimp hose & heavy duty "blue" hose banded on ends with Bandit clamps. They wouldn't let us drop mud then either ,so they used soft trimmies when they crane and bucketed walls.We got the "Bright" idea of attaching them to short pipes and snaking them into narrow spaces. 1st lesson: make sure the end doesnt get folded over, or it'll swell up like a sausage,trapping itself in the re-bar. 2nd lesson: unless you can cut it at the very bottom of the hose,some of the hose is gonna stay in the wall ,3rd lesson, don't pump too fast,or you'll learn about lessons 1&2

Cp1 you say psi is 85 working well we are talking apples and oranges & 1250-psi working and 2500 burst, see other add posted buy Todd. What we are really talking about is not about usage but burst pressure yours and others cool at-least the discussion is there what is safe for the industry. I had 2 of the original lay flat hoses come out of the bell end until BBCP found a manufacturer that designed and tested it in California. I am always looking for ways to get the job done safely. Hoses don't always work in walls with mass steel you cant always use a tremey, 2x4 tremey and contractors don't want to spend the time and money to over build the wall as to pressure pour there wall. So whats left the mud snake but one that's tested at high pressure. Safety you should agree is the main goal is not whether yours is better than ours lets not be narow minded about this topic?

Facts Please - No one makes this hose in a garage and no one made it 25 years ago.  This is an entirely different hose then has ever been available.  The burst factor, the wear factor and the ability of being able to push this hose and not kink it are significant advances in the concept.  With all the lawsuits out there you need to take every measure to protect the company and the man on the end of the hose.  Like the back end cover this is a product that needs to be used carefully and as intended.  Many is on the right track - check it out before you judge and make a careful comparison before judging - Be Safe Guys!

Is a higher 'burst' rating necessarilly better?

If you had a choice, would you rather get hit with a 200 psi blast of mud and compressed air or 2000?

I don't think I would ever stick one of these in a wall between 2 tight mats or rebar.  A short piece of rubber with double ends on it (for flexibility), coupled to an appropriately sized tremmie pipe would seem to be a more suitable device. 

If the tremmie were made of thin-wall pipe (durability not being a primary concern) it could be squashed somewhat to create a profile (oval) that would more easily fit in the space between rebar mats.

So if the hose buy chance blows ware your hose man is standing or others because of inferior hose and seriously injures them then what?

Sometimes I feel like banging my head against a steel wall.  Every job has to be done as safely as possible!  Nothing is perfect but..................

Believe me, the higher strength 'Mud Snake' WILL blow at some point, it's just a matter of how much pressure gets stored up before it finally releases.  So again, 200 psi, or 2000?  Any preference?

As for me, I'd rather have the lower strength home-made hose release at lower pressure, hopefully failing more gradually by tearing and releasing much less potential energy.

BTW, there is never any substitute for caution, diligence and PPE.

Ok lets talk about the home made end if you make and band the end without some sort testing buy a certified  agency how do you plan to explain to the judge how this is maid and tested when the hose comes from the bell end and falls loaded w/concrete and cripples a laborer/nozzle man? This is why they have testing to keep harm from happening to our-self and others.

by the way good discussion pump-jockey

The liability is the same if you don't to inspect and remove from service a manufactured and 'tested' item, and it fails and injures someone.

The 'certification' is only good for the initial use.  And it really is no guarantee that the one that you have bought is as good as the one chosen to test.

But buying a 'certified' and tested item is a good first step to due diligence.  Really, the court isn't interested in looking at the actual item, they want to see PAPERWORK!!   That includes your inspection reports.

Well i just respectfully and totally disagree with your theory but that's OK! We all have that wright to deside for our selves.

SecretSquirrel - you're fighting a losing battle here.  What did the industry say for the last 40 years when columns were so packed with steel that you couldn't stick a hose inside of them, "well bbcp has created it yet, so we can't pump it".  BBCP is purchasing the hose from someone, therefore I can purchase it from someone (namely goodyear or any other rubber supply company) with the same pressure ratings, that's my point.  And about the end, I could easily do tests, and the hose is going to shred before band-its slip over the welded rings and the hose will also rip before the bell end fails on your company's hose, so the end rating is a moot point. 

Interesting discussion,now I hope we are past the my boyfriend is bigger than yours.I have to ask when one pulls onto a job and the forman says hey colums/walls next but we need a pipe.I always hated those 25'-30' pipes,yuk.Also remember these are not a daily use piece of equipment,rather an alturnitive solution to having something handy.I hated loading and unloading and the damage done to cab roofs.

A true story,operator needed a 30' pipe.Well rather than wait for help to load he tryed by himself.The pipe got away from him and almost killed him (reality check).He is now a vegitable somewhere and nobody can help him,ever.

I know if this proves to be succesfull someone will copy it,the American way (maybe the chinees).I have to say bbcp took the bull by the horns and came up with something that is viable.Just like the man that got hurt,if this was around/in use then he would have had a productive life.

There is a video coming as I understand it,hold judgement till then.Always remember your workers comp priemums are high for a reason.

No this was not a paid political endorsment,just common sense thinking.

Can I assume pumpjockey that you would use garden hose for your tip hose - of course not!  That would be silly,  As with any hose once it is damaged there is a weak point.  The issue is safety during the normal course of the pour.  We have all been pumping when the hose started to plug and then released - if the hose would have been very weak it it likely the man standing next to the hose may have in injured if the hose blew next to his head.  This is all about reducing the POSSIBILITY of injury. 

Mike C.: Lessons 1, 2 & 3 still apply!!

pumpjockey "So again, 200 psi, or 2000? Any preference? 1 bar equals approximately 14.5 psi. Say your pumping at 100 bar that would be 1,450 psi. Would you want a hose that bursts at 200 psi or 2000 psi? Pretty easy decision to me.

Sixdaysaweek, you are aware that hydraulic pressure:concrete pressure is not 1:1 aren't you.  When you're pumping at 100 bar, the pressure on the concrete is not 100 bar, standard fabric (no wire) concrete hoses have 82 psi working pressure, and I think they're 2.5:1 burst. 

Gentlemen please disregard any comments that this is a Goodyear product. In no way, what so ever is this a Good year product.This product has been manufactured by a company that has been in business since 1775 thats right I said 1775. They make a wide variety of products. It has taken me over two years of research and testing. Please feel free to call me. For anyone that has any question or concerns or would like to purchase the layflat hose called the (Mud Snake) please feel free to call me at 253 854-3333 opt2
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Scott Rochel