I have been trying to get information about the lay flat orange hose in the sponsors advert on this page. Are they still available? Any opinions for use in a narrow wall.

They work very well but they are expensive if you do a lot of walls they are worth the money. Crews need to have a little talking too on how not to push the hose too far side to side.and to wash them out its easiest to suck a bucket. Have no idea on their availability, but if it was my money, I'd ask to have them to send it COD

Contractors may like them because they don't have to cut windows in their congested walls but they are not approved by the ACPA or the CPMA. Therefore, when in a lawsuit you have to defend your negliance for using a non-approved placing "hose". Ever been in court? You don't want to give the prosecution anything to use against you.  Why take on the liability? So you can get a job? You don't charge enough to take on this type of risk.

are reduction hoses acpa or cpma approved ? just asking. Before I went and bought a mudsnake I would look how much easier and cheaper it is to make your own , I have many times attached a 3" water pump discharge hose onto the end of a 3" endless hose to do styrofoam formed houses it works well and no it is not approved but neither is the other one, but you do need to have a safety meeting about the dangers of this hose.

You're asking for trouble either way pudg using water hose or "mud snake". Any yes, CF reducing hoses are approved.

well if those associations approved a reduction hose theyre certifications arent worth the paper theyre printed on,I dont see how these hoses are still being used , but the ignorance of some in this industry never ceases to amaze me.

Can I ask why you don't like them?

have you ever had one whip on you ? reductions should be made in a steel reducer , where is the most dangerous place to reduce ? in the hose,use a steel reducer we've been doing it that way for years safely, we had a couple of pumps come from the manufacturer with them and we kept having whip problems,started running 5-4 reducer and 4" hose or 5" hose and we eliminated our problems.

Pudg, the ACPA & CPMA standards apply to pressure ratings, couplings, documentation, labeling, etc. To protect your business and those who work around pumps. One of the reasons is to keep people from using things like water hoses for placing hoses. You don't need to bash their certifications because you don't like reducing hoses.

Yes we have had hoses whip - who hasn't. We don't use reducing hoses, water hose, or mud snakes either.

i used to use a reducing hose 5 to 4 until it whipped on me, problem is there's no reinforcement in those hoses so when they clog (and where is the clog 99% of the time, in the REDUCER) they either burst or clear themselves, so when all was said and done the hoseman was laying facedown in the concrete and i didn't even have time to stop it from happenning, don't know how there constructed now but 5yrs ago when i first tryed them i think they were dangerous!! i prefer a steel 5 to 4 reducer and a 4 inch hose with 1 end and the other end cut with a chopsaw on a 45 degree angle

They are great as long as you are 120% on your toes. DO NOT go cheap by a pressed on end! Because I have seen the hoseclamp on half a pumpco end go bad. At a school priming out little kids not even 100' away and boom. The peace of SHIT hose clamped on hose blows the fuck apart. Nobody got hurt. But if any little kid would have? Then the old pumpco salesman has the balls to say don't throw that away it cost 2000 dollars! If they pad that much money for ahose like that and could only aford 35$ gunck clamps its wonder they steyed in business as long as they did.

the hose and end some how managed to find ther way to the bottum of good old fashion half a yard prime pile.

I agree with Lawrence.  Stay on your toes.  If anyone says they won't get hose whip from a straight 4" hose or 3 or any size for that matter is fooling themselves and anyone in proximity to the pump.  Maybe it is worse with the reducing hose, I run one all the time yes it has plugged but I have never had hose whip.  In fact about ten years ago I did a bridge that they insisted on 4" against my reccomendations.  I'll tell you this the 5' went back on in a hurry when thae steel reducer plugged and blew right the hell off the elbows.  It was strapped on no one got hurt thankfully.  Point being something like hose whip or plugs can happen at any time to any one and is not always the fault of a reducer or reducing hose.  Maybe that could be a new topic.  What is the strangest thing to pop out your hose.  Mine was a rabbit.

Well pudg I too attach a small sectio of 3 inch water hose at the end of an endless hose. But it is only enough that I can bend it over when moving as a cap and, I like it because it also cuts down on the splatter. I only leave like 1 foot off the end.

I have not heard any horror stories about the mudsnake.They were developed for certain jobsite requirments,to give the operator a choice.These were not to be used as a substitue for a standard discharge hose.I firmly believe that and the blast net has done much for industry safety.

justapumper,

thats what we do it may be slid over the 3" hose 3-4 ft then 12-18 inches hanging off the hose, and yes its a cap and helps with splatter.

Doug,

when they tell people this is safe to use and it isnt I'll bash all I want,thank you.

You have missed the point Pudg. You turned this into an attack on reducing hoses. The thread was about "mud snakes" or water hoses. I'm trying to tell you that using non ACPA or CPMA placing hoses opens your company up for liability. For instance, when you hold a safety meeting on the job telling people that your (non-ACPA approved) water hose extension has to be handled a certain way - you are admitting the danger. That's liability for your company. Your company is an ACPA member right? Having the training and ignoring it spells negligence in court. If you have ever been through a personal injury case you know what I mean.

I've got 2 on my truck,15'& 25' they work great for tight walls , there strong ,and last a long time if you take care of them

I do understand your point,so being they said for years it was ok to use the elephant trunk,the double 90, the double ended hose this makes it safe give me a break,I will take my chances with my knowledge and common sense and not let a group of people with thier own agendas tell me whats safe and whats not, we have all seen they are not always rite,and you say they certify due to psi ratings and such,just because its rated for 1250 psi does that make it a safe tool to use ? no, is my way approved ? no,should it be ? probably more so than a mudsnake, I am not gonna argue with you anymore we'll just agree to disagree.

and Doug please fill out your profile page where I know who I'm corresponding with.

Fair enough pudg