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Trey 09-10-2011
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I think they offer a RZ, where the first two sections roll, and the tip and 3rd do the Z action.


biged 09-10-2011
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They have and EZ 31 meter also one section extends.


FunnyBoom 09-11-2011
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Schwing is trying to break into the Z fold game but they do not offer anything that even compares to the true Z fold that Putz and some other guys have in my opinion. The 31ez is ok but the 52RZ they have and the 36 they offer just dont compaare. They have their advantages but will never compete with the Putz 5 section Z's such as the 47's and up...


lucky phil 09-11-2011
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Powercrete in Australia built a 46m 6 rz with an Antonelli boom, very good for inside work from what i hear!


Trey 09-11-2011
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Schwings motto seems to be "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" There is a lot of stuff that they should come out with and update, but they just don't.


N.D.Fuccillo 09-11-2011
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Schwing came out with a new 28 recently that is a 4 section RZ fold style, I personally like the 31 EZ. Hope I get the chance to run one in my lifetime.


Dipstick 09-11-2011
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I don't think that should be a problem Mr perkinson.. Black and white? 3 section? That is getting quite outdated isn't it? Your next machine must be a proportional one.. (Or do you live in Africa ;-)


billybo 09-12-2011
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is it the one onn the frieghtliner chasis?


Dipstick 09-12-2011
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No. Not 1 up 2 down. I'd defenetely go for the 2 'slightly' up and the last one straight down. You know the trick is to go up and as soon as you go down you should go well down. So that the crete falls through the pipes rather than slides through. Thats the trick. A 4 or even 5 section boom can also be primed all sections upwards and only the last one down. What you discribed is just what you should avoid...


SUPERDOFFER 09-12-2011
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In the small booms up to 31m the Schwing RZ is far better than the strait Z of Putz. The 31/5 of Putz is the only one that comes close, but the 31 Schwing is less mind breaking. I hope one time I have the chance to try the 36sx of schwing to compare it whit the 36Z that I operate at this time.


SUPERDOFFER 09-12-2011
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And a bout priming why not just flat out. 9 of the 10 times you can get away whit it.


Many 09-12-2011
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That machine will generate a good income.Splurg on a boom inspection,inspector will help you out alot.


biged 09-12-2011
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Why waste the contractors money buying grout, two 5 gallon bucket' of Bentonite mixed like pancake batter added at the priming port with a little water in you hopper about 1/2 way on the barrels have the mixer start dumping on top of your S-tube put two sponges in ,one ahead of the bentonite and one in the s-tube then go for it.


Dipstick 09-12-2011
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P.S.  what I was talking about was of course a water prime with hanging boom...


billybo 09-12-2011
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yep black and white sucks i had the 32 m run great one day the next couldn't run smooth to save my life!!!


SUPERDOFFER 09-13-2011
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I was talking flatout whit just water


Dipstick 09-13-2011
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Superdoffer.. Do you mean flat out with only water when you have a line conected or are you talking just priming a hanging boom? If it only the hanging boom than I'd rather say 999 out of 1000 times it works.. But if you are talking priming a long line.... I don't think i'll ever try priming that just flat out with water. We only use 2,5'' and 3'' line so that would be madness.. But even with 4'' I am a bit sceptic Surprised But I know you have a lot of line jobs and not the best concrete in the world eighter so you probably know what your talking about.. Just be carefull Wink


SUPERDOFFER 09-14-2011
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Dipstick; If the contractor have no place to get rid of the grout. You have to think about an other solution. We just start whit a load of pea gravel, and two bucket’s water in the prime port, and prime true the 4” steel line. Remember we prime to slick the line, to much water and you rock pack. To less water and you dry pack. Btw you must remember we have those HD quick release clamps on the line. So if we plug its not such a big deal.


Dipstick 09-14-2011
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Yes, Now I remember those clambs again.. And now I also remember the dutch grout again. That one you have to throw away.. So I understand you strategy..

The grout here is a different type which has the same quality as the actual concrete. So we don't have to dump it. Its only about 20 dollars per m3 more expensive than the normal concrete and is so stiff that you can load a mixer with normal concrete first and then stop the mixer and put the grout on top of the normal concrete. The mixer has to drive without mixing. When he arrives he fills up your hopper with the grout and then gives the rest of the crete a good mixing.. Its a great system and it will cost the customer only the 10/20 dollars extra..(depending on how much grout) Nothing can beat that. Not even a few bags of cement and the time used to mix those. :-)


FunnyBoom 09-14-2011
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This is off topic but you must have alot of bouncy, noisy mixers driving around then Dipstick. They keep the drum spinning as they drive not only to mix the concrete but also to keep from creating flat spots on the rollers... Thats why they are even spinning while driving empty.