Oil spill and a Concrete Pumper with a good idea?
Todd 06-14-2010
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Many 06-14-2010
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At this point anything and everything needs to be looked at.Whoever comes up with the solution gets a feather in his/her hat.Meanwhile the people continue to pay the price,lord help them.

biged 06-14-2010
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BP has no intension of pluging the well this fellow just got some free advertising,he want get close to the well, look that thing is 5,000 ft below the surface.

johnjohnjohn 06-15-2010
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you mean to tell me they didn't think of that already? idiots.

Drew AUS 06-15-2010
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Why wouldnt it work?

 


pumper chuck 06-15-2010
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good idea, bad idea? who knows. as a pumper i know im not alone in saying every one of us has thought of pumping the pipe full of concrete  but with that much preasure it would be nearly imposible to get the mudd into the pipe in the first place ,not to mention the enviromental effect of the chemicals in concrete ,oil is bad enough .

pumpjockey 06-15-2010
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Priming a mile of pipe, trying to fill a 21" well bore, with oil coming out the velocity it is, what problems could that pose?

concreteanimal 06-15-2010
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    Im currently down in that area, a local station has talk show every day where you can phone in and are on the air, many local have worked the oil rigs for decades and my understanding is they drill the wells then usualy cap them for future use. I guess the drill rigs have a job to do then they leave and another platform comes in later and is attached to pipe.  From what I hear there is a plug put in the pipe that consists of a thick-heavy mud to offset the pressure and THEN 200' of pipe is filled with concrete.

Haliburton (may be spelled wrong) usually pumps the concrete. good luck sticking a tremie 50000' down from your pump...  also the remote control submersables stearing all the equiptment and materials into place must be quite a thing to see ther are over a dozen working when they try to set a cap on the well.

  can you imagine 12-16 remote controled vessels 5000 feet under water all controled by different individuals in a enviroment devoid of light except ther spot lights....


concreteanimal 06-15-2010
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  Also every 33 feet of wate equals one atmosphere of pressure 5000 feet  aprox 150 atmospheres your pump may not get the mud down there. yes concrete is heavier than water so maybe it will.

   Interesting to think about. you have 5000 feet of  pipe filled with concrete BEFORE you get any in the well... when you clean out that 5000 feet do they suck it back after a cap is closed and vent opened or do they pump it onto the ocean floor --- or do they know how much cement to pump then place a divider (dought its a nerf ball) and pump water on top?   then how do they open it in future with 200' of pipe filled with concrete?


jj707 06-15-2010
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I'm all for any idea guys , but lets be real here he use his bridge trimee technique, well ok but have you ever tried to pump against the force of mothernature ? oil mixing with concrete , the pressure of the well, 5000' down ? it can be pumped but would it plug the hole ? I dont think so, dont they know that every pumper around has come up with this same idea , dont see it happening, wish it would work , but dont see it happening.

Weave 06-16-2010
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Seems to me they already have the ability to get the mud down there. I would think by using the top kill method again and adding a high strength low shrinking grout or 3/4 mix into the mix would work. This time they would just leave the system sitting on top of it. The head pressure  alone should stop it. It would allow them the ability to cap it from the surface. At this point i don't anybody will care that there will be a mile long stake in the water. Well maybe some epa idiot would.

Redman1 06-16-2010
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Some of the best engineers on earth are working on this problem. A 30,000 hp... yes that's thirty-thousand horsepower pump was used to pump the mud down for the top kill effort. What do your pumps have 3, 4 maybe 5 hundred hp, hell even 1,000. Do any of us really know what they are up against... I think not. Let's just pray for the people who lost their lives and those who are and will be affected by this.

lawrence 06-17-2010
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30,000 horse that's awesome. Like to see some pictures of that machine.

bisley57 06-17-2010
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The reason they don't cap this thing is that the integrity of the well is not capable of handling the high pressures.

Drew AUS 06-20-2010
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is there any way to place a 5000ft pipe over it and collect the oil at the surface sort of a funnel thing with no reductions , at least it might be more mangageable ...  

pumpjockey 06-20-2010
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They do have a 5000 foot pipe on it right now. The trouble is that they don't have a 100% seal on it. For whatever reason??? without a good seal, they can't keep the proper amount of pressure on it to keep the hydrates from forming, hence having to inject methanol into the pipe to keep the hydrates from clogging it up. If they were to start pumping too fast, then it exacerbates the hydrate problem and even more oil leaks out, it's a delicate balance. I suspect at this late stage that the well bore and down-hole casing's integrity has been compromised with all the sand and the velocity of the flow has worn the pipe and a lot of it is leaking out of looser ares of the formation and around the well casing itself. The only real way to 'kill' it is the relief wells that they are drilling.

Taft 06-29-2010
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that was the funniest i've seen in along time

Taft 06-29-2010
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Too Tall,no comment?