Many | 08-17-2009 | comment profile send pm notify |
With a membership of what,say 3000,mmm.How many of you have personally witnessed hose whipping accidents of any kind?Don't be shy,fess up.Don't worry about hurting my feelings,I wear a cast iron bra.Here lately we have seen some real strange stuff,not good. Hey,safety chime in anytime you wish. |
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Pump N00b | 08-17-2009 | reply profile send pm notify |
Got smacked in the face/head with my own 3" hose while poruing columns inside a building. |
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chongliyan | 08-17-2009 | reply profile send pm notify |
10 months ago,while the boom is swinging my engine rev got wild,as pump n00b says the vibrator runs i cant here much of my engine i hit one of the workers at the back,its good i use single end hose,thats my first accident. |
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pudg | 08-17-2009 | reply profile send pm notify |
2 with reduction hoses thats why theyre locked up, one with a 2 1/2 inch line blew out windows in a house and shot concrete from thr backdoor all the way to the front door, cleaned that house for 7 hrs repainted that house and the one next door but I am not complaining no injuries ,there have been more but those are the ones I remember the most , fins and other foreign object have caused a few for me but always got everyone clear before disaster struck, the reduction hoses God was just with me because you didnt have time to turn the switch off a little grunt and it was whippin just lucky both times I was on footings without a hoseman , I think we're gonna start carrying motorcycle helmets and hahn devices to protect our good hosemen , the hosehuggers really are putting there self at risk. |
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Step Brother | 08-17-2009 | reply profile send pm notify |
I always used a d.e. tip hose. always hooking system, trimmies, etc so kept it on. Was running bigsticks 61m one day with a single ended tip hose when the pour was done, they were maybe half yard short. pumped the hopper dry and kept going, almost got enough, almost. got a good shot of air, and on the 12th floor, sent a finisher that was about 5' away onto his ass another 5' back. He missed all the rebar that didnt have caps and got a bad concrete bath, but was not hurt. I knew if I had a double ended he would have been split wide open.Me, i wont run a d.e. anymore. All from air in the line. Could have been worse, he could have flown over the edge 12 floors to the ground. |
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Todd | 08-17-2009 | reply profile send pm notify |
Please Please tell your stories. Good job guys. |
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Todd | 08-17-2009 | reply profile send pm notify |
Here is an official hose man uniform designed by ConcretePumping.com
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Mudslinger | 08-17-2009 | reply profile send pm notify |
Long ago and far,far away... I was pouring PT slabs with a 52m, a S-bend (gasp from the audience) and an inexperienced hoseman. He had no eye for grade and I could see he had WAY too much mud! He tried to go back and fill an imagined low spot, and I wasn't going,so he turned around, looked at me, then let go of the hose, just as a finisher doing edges stood up! The S-bend caught him square between the eyes and laid him out cold for about 30 seconds! He then got up, shook his head, and threw his tools down ,and started to come after me. A fight was about to happen,and I didn't want to be left out of the festivity ,so I took off the remote! About the time the duking was going to start,the finisher foreman,yelled at him in spanish, telling him whose fault it really was! He then went after the hoseman! I'm not really clear on what was said, but there were at least 3 black eyes before the dust settled, and I've not used a S-bend since! |
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TooTall | 08-17-2009 | reply profile send pm notify |
Do those CP.com "protective placing suits" come free with one of theses?... |
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murf | 08-17-2009 | reply profile send pm notify |
1: Some years ago was priming thru one time with water on a limestone/ coarse sand mix with a 5-4 reducer and a 4" hose on the end when they guy on site shouted to stop. when we restarted the hoseman pushed the hose away from the job to get rid of the first bit, the pump blocked then freed and laid the hoseman flat on the floor.After 10 mins he got up well shaken and bruised. 2. Bought a pump with some 9m long 4" hose on board, so sent them to the local hose people to have them shortened. Hoses came back in 3m lengths but they replaced a couple of sections with some second hand hose they had in stock as mine were too far worn to cut and end. Sent these out on a pump. On pumping thru the pump blocked then cleared, lifting 4 hoses that were laid on the floor up like a cobra about 10 ft off the ground and then spat out a section of concrete and a rubber blow out pig. (we never use rubber pigs) Hospitalised one guy who later sued. |
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pudding | 08-17-2009 | reply profile send pm notify |
thats why when you start your pump back up after a liitle wait you tell everyone to stand back untill you get the mud flowing again.many times if i would not have done this i would have hurt someone or myself. never drew blood on a finisher,but somedays oh boy did i want too.i have seen hosemen wear motorcycle helmet.All because a accident with 4" and cheap 2500 psi mix. wsas not me that did the bashing,but it put the guy out of work for months.he was a hosehugger anyway.still sorry for the guy.messed him up bad. enough of the book |
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Many | 08-18-2009 | reply profile send pm notify |
The strangest place for me.Castle Pines,the then new Vickers house (Vickers oil).Boomed over house with a 52m and tip doing stamped balconey.Changed trucks,had to walk through house (on paper) and started pumping.My hose man Nelson was tall,muscular and could move a moutain.When it hit him it dropped him like a rag doll.Thank the stars no real injuries other than scrapes. I don't know what your companies policies are but we had to fill out "incident reports" and sometimes had to submit to drug/alcohol testing (different topic). |
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cretepumper2 | 08-18-2009 | reply profile send pm notify |
First time it happened, it was to myself. I had a 20' 3" tip hose on, had just finished a wall pour. I went to empty the hopper after we got done, turned the pump on and next thing I knew I was laying on the ground with my hard hat knocked off. Think I might've scraped an elbow but nothing serious. Really opened my eyes though, about blockage in the line. Another time I was doing a flat pour, we had stopped to switch trucks. I had set the hose down on the deck when we stopped. When we got ready to go again I picked the hose up to make sure the end was open. I turned the pump on and BOOM, rolled the hose man over the wire mesh. He wasn't hurt, thank God. I felt terrible. Just goes to show, you can never be too careful. |
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yard whore | 08-18-2009 | reply profile send pm notify |
I was pumping a footing some time ago one of those footings with 2x4 forms 1 foot off the ground, really dry mud!!! Every thing was going fine when the pump heaved and cleared out before I could do any thing it sent the little Hispanic hose guy flying thru the air, knocked him at least 5-6 feet right onto a uncapped metal grade stake, and then the hose came over the top of him and gave him a bath. The stake got him in the back pretty deep there was alot of blood but to my amazement he was right back up!! We hosed him off, patched him up with the first-aid in the pump and he finished the job!!! No BS!! It was a real eye opener about how fast it can happen. Everyone be safe NO steel on the tip hose right!! |
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Todd | 08-19-2009 | reply profile send pm notify |
http://www.concretepumping.com/dictionary/index.php/Hose_Hazard! |
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dlee7729 | 08-19-2009 | reply profile send pm notify |
MANY , All hose whipping that i have seen is in the past are the results of reducing at the tip 90's. I have never had a issue with a 5" discharge hose. To be honest with all the crap that comes out of the concrete trucks these days how do you avoid it or is there any real wat to avoid it? The laborers always want me to reduce down to a 4" hose becuase they dont like that splashing. I think if you want to avoid the hose whipping issue just use a 5 ". |
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Many | 08-19-2009 | reply profile send pm notify |
Well at least here and several other places people have the mixes dialed in.True,there are places the mixes are prim evil and warrent a 5" discharge hose.There are places in the NW that 3" is the order of the day.This is a two fold issue here. 1) tip hoses - 1st we should never run any metal on the end,right? Remember even a 5" hose can catch a fin fish or any other kind of debris,hence hose whip.We use our gear based on jobsite requirments.A big pour such as a matt or deep slab or even big yards per hour jobs would warrent it.But they still will get whip. 2) boom plus system - There are many things that cause hose whip there.Even compressed air in system,rocks,steel will do it.I believe one will find 4" pipe and hose used on decks/slabs,sometimes 50' of 3 1/2" on the end. So it really don't matter the system,reality is it still happens.You'v been a lucky one so far,one day Ms Hosewhip will visit you.Be forwarned. |
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Granddad | 08-21-2009 | reply profile send pm notify |
Sorry Many I agree with dlee. In 25 yrs I've managed to pump 2x4s hammers, rebar and beleive it or not beer cans out a 5 inch boom hose without an incident. However slap a 3 inch hose on for an ICF and your whole day is On tip toes waiting for that whip from fin fish tailings whatever. |