If you were given the chance to operate a 5 section 31 or 32 meter pump which would you want and why.

I also want to know if you were given the same chance to operate a pump in the low 40 meter range what would be your first choice and why.

5 section 31z, I have mostly ran big booms but I find myself loving this lttle boom. The only draw back is the frequency of doing stuff with overheard obstructions ie: power lines. But it makes you think every second of the day and you find new ways to almost tie it up in knots. And in the 40's the 5 section 47m Putz is another awesome pump very fun.

Well if I had to choose, I'd most likely go with the 32m, but that would depend on the manufacturer as well,if the 31 and 32m were the same Manufacturer I'd go for the 32m myself mainly for the extra 3Ft'. I currently run a 2008 KCP 45Z 5 section and just love it, especially with the Condor cab. I used to operate a 40m R/F 4 section, but after being on a Z 5 section a R/F boom don't seem to be nearly as fun to operate.

The newest available! For the experience and the challenge, you can always go backwards. If its got a boom & outriggers run it!

if your buying it

i will operate it

  CretePumper

You are operating the perfect machine. I can't imagine it getting any better than that.

The reason I put this post on is I am going to purchase one of these pumps in each size range for the company I work for I have spoken with 3 of the manufactures and have been given the pricing but Given the chance to pick what you want to operate does not come around all that often so that is why I put this post on. My personal choice is Putzmeister but I am open to other choices. So over the next very short time frame I am going to look at service and durability and see what other operators prefer and factor all the imput I get into the final selection

38zman

As a Canadian you are surely going to make these purchases from a Canadian company, right?

At an exchange of .82244 - 1

it just makes good economic sense. And when you have an opportunity to do your bit for your national economy how could you pass up the chance?

better question what unit would you want to buy used, alliance, concord or putz. i think used schwings are expendsive.

Eugene,

Relative to purchase price, an

[in alphabetical order]

all have better resale value than a putz

well i've ran a 23m, 34m, 39m schwing and a 36m concord, all roll and folds,i loved the versatility of the 23m, even though it almost always had system of of it, but my favorite now is the 34m, but if i had an option i would like to try schwings 31ez  looks like a good time

Z i run i schwing 31ez and i like it a lot. i have been in some very tight situation (clearance)and still been able to use the telescopic section to pump the job. i dont know if the other manufactures can do this or not. I'm partial to the schwing 31

I have run many great pumps from an abstract view,they are all great.Although I have not run some pumps on our sponsor list which I'm sure I could make sing.To date the ones that have fond memories are the 34m-39m schwings.

When one takes into account each ones reputation,they are all great.I do tend to look at service and support as well.

My Best

Schwings are hammers. Proven ones that can hammer & hammer for years. In 10 or 20 years if the pumps above are still hammering Then they will keep their value also. 

A pump will live as long as you let it. Don’t beat on it, feed it fresh oil and filters, change the worn out parts before they fall apart completely and run it at 70% of what it can do.

That pretty much describes those old Schwings, and for the most part, how we treated them. They were a mystery; they always worked and we loved them.  They were heavy, stout, robust and all of those things mattered.

There will be old gate valve, and some of the first rock valve machines still pumping till the end of time……… for the guy with enough money to keep them in shape.

I don’t think that we will ever see pumps like that again, from any manufacturer. They were built for comfort, not for speed. As we all know,

SPEED KILLS.

The other thing they had going for them was an open circuit hydraulic system; pump some oil, let it do its job, filter it and send it back to the hydraulic tank. With the correct oil cooler that baby will run all day and all night and not really care. And the hydraulic pumps aren’t being offset 32 times a min’. And the valve; well the valve shifted when it got around to it when pumping slow, and right now when pumping fast. But remember

SPEED KILLS.

Today’s pumps are lighter, smarter, more versatile, Operator friendly and faster. But……

SPEED KILLS

We Americans were running around with Vickers pumps, 3000 psi hydraulic systems spade valves or flappers ¾ and 1 ¼ valves or springs and rods or limit switches, rollers and pins and any number of half assed tries at making a concrete pump

AND THEN SCHWING SHOWED UP. Axial pumps, 5000 psi systems hydraulic cycling; they were the answer. They went from number 0 to number one and stayed there for YEARS.

Fast forward to today. Everyone uses the same hydraulic pumps; everyone uses the same hydraulic components, the same steel, robotic welding, and pretty much the same everything else. They all belong to the same club, they build to the same specs and they have finally all learned how to properly mount prep and paint a concrete pump; hell, they are even on the same trucks!

What is the difference, really?

Price to purchase – cost to operate – longevity of parts that touch the concrete – and

SERVICE, SERVICE, SERVICE

You decide

If the folks that you buy your pumps from are taking care of you

then you are operating the right machine

hey bob

 if i had more bucks than brains say 200K worth i would buy the used 2005 37M alliance, nice unit for the buck.

as for used value on my putz trailers i think my ball unit is worth 80% and the S-tube is worth 90% but i did get a good deal on both.

as for your artical on speed i have run the fist 500 hours on the S-tube at 40% and half speed a few times. now iam gettiong to the point that i will run at 60% on some jobs but i will turn it down tward finishing up the project. 

i might run the 31 depending on how much inside work there would be...

eugene

You are right, that would be a nice unit.

Indeed Bob, I recently made the leap from Operator to Owner/Operator and from an operator's stand point this KCP 45Z5 in one of the finest pumps I have ever run, and as an owner I'm was very happy with the purchase price, as well as the quick possesion, and the Condor cab is just a added bonus, Thank-You KCP Another Satisfied Customer !

putz 32 5 section but would love a putz 47 5 section

I always love big pump with 5 section because I think that is suitable for maximum sites.

Munir

To answer The Question, Out of those two I would rather operate a 32 5 section. The versitility allows you to pour "around" anything.

As for the 40m range, 45m 5 section, footprint is small enough to go most places but big enough to goto the big jobs.

63Z Meter.... Awesome machine

well if you really want to pump concrete then pump it with a schwing if you want to just run a pump thenit doesnt matter what you run.I have run most of them and for my money they are not the same no matter what people may tell you they arent all alike only one schwing the rest can try but that isa it

 48ZX170... Versatility, Managable footprint for shortrigging, City set-ups etc. Its alotta stick for the $$$ and it aint a 52 and also... It aint a 52....

I would have to go with a schwing 32m 4 section roll and fold best machine I ever ran