Safe or Unsafe?
ice 08-09-2008
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eugene 08-09-2008
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going over the house is not worth paying insurance. this is my typical job, i would whip that boom with trailer pump.

skwish 08-09-2008
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safe buddy, up here in canada were never on flat or stable ground, line pumps suck ass a people hate using them. to me your set is good

Bob 08-09-2008
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I never worried about booming over an

UNOCCUPIED house. It is no different than booming over anything else.

No way would I boom over an occupied house.

personal rule ;~) man, that is a nice house!


pudg 08-11-2008
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unsafe, not because going over the house,the outrigger situation looks like its his first day on a pump 

v-dawg 08-13-2008
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ya whats up with the outrigger pad deal ? if your going to use 2 pads , at least stack them properly !!!!

Bob 08-13-2008
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so what is properly?

Bob 08-14-2008
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When I look at any of the pictures on the site I do it just like you do. I examine the pic thru the ‘lens’ of my experience and build a story of what I think was going on at the time the pic was taken. Now, about these photos;

Once upon a time there was an operator that worked for a company that doesn’t supply dunnage for their own pumps // [alternate] Once upon a time there was an operator that left the yard without loading any dunnage…

He showed-up, and set-up.

While unfolding and/or testing his rig for stability before starting the pour he notices that his front pads are depressed into the rock chip driveway surface. He looked around the job for something to augment his pads on the front outriggers and came up empty. He [finally] put his brain in gear to try and fix what he saw as a sub standard set-up. He put his boom back in the cradle and removed the pads from his rear outriggers.

By overlapping his rear pads on the front he was able to add enough surface area on the loaded front pads to complete the job.

Should he have ever put himself in that position [alternate] should he have ever allowed his company to put him in that position? [same answer for both questions- NO.

Did he come up with a sleazy but workable plan- YES.

Should this have made him a believer and a carrier of dunnage- YES

Did it – that is the $64,000.00 question.

 

So let me ask again, V-Dawg, What is properly?


mytfynsunshine 08-14-2008
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What kind of dunnage do you suggest him to carry other than outrigger pads? I was under the impression that if you needed dunnage it was to be found on the jobsite....Enlighten me.


Bob 08-14-2008
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Many companies are suppling dunnage for their pumps, like crane companies do. What kind and how much depend upon the size of the machine. For example; here in Georgia an operator will cary enough to insure that he has sufficient area of dunnage on the ground under at least two outriggers to correctly load the local soil. 16 to 20 4 foot 4x6 oak timbers for a 47meter will usually do the trick here.

mytfynsunshine 08-14-2008
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Those must be the companies with the big bucks. LOL Just kiddin. Thanks for the information Bob, maybe soon we can incorporate that here too then. 8 )


Bob 08-14-2008
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One justification for the expense is when you come prepared you are sure to have the correct type of material. That equals fewer accidents, incidents and work stoppage while you re-shore

ice 08-14-2008
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V-dawg, to answer your question, stacked the pads to distribute the weight, two pads spread out are better than one, sometimes you do what you have to do as long as it is safe, did not feel I was putting anyone in danger. I have been running pumps for 27 years, and I am a strong believer in safety,some areas are different than others some you need more dunnage then others.

Bob 08-14-2008
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I figured you were an old hand.

Don't you tote lumber?


ice 08-14-2008
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Feel like an old hand sometimes Bob,started out running old Hercules trailer pumps, the old hands back when trained you to do what you had to do to get the job done. If I know ahead of time that  we need more dunnage, yes we carry it, but sometimes it is hard to carry system and dunnage at the same time. Sorry I did not want you guys to think I was an unsafe operator.

Bob 08-14-2008
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I have spent a few days 'one lunging it' on an old Herc ;~)

bri 08-15-2008
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doesnt look too bad. I would of used 5 6x6's under each front outrigger. I get crap all of the time for putting down too much dunnage but better safe than sorry. You NEVER know what lerks beneath.