I myself would can the human resources manager! But I still have a worker mentality!

I am salary a operations manager in my case I still operate also plus do the bidding selling dispatching and money chasing and much more , so here is the question is these salary guys doing this or more are or they just dead weight every company is different and expectations are not the same, I am pretty sure if these companies did not feel they needed them they would be gone I hate to see good operators being laid off but these other guys probably worked there way up and they have done there time in the trenches to get there job security maybe not I do not know the situation but in my case I feel it would be foolish to let go of your key guys because just like a good operator someone will hire him and he will not be back good hands are hard to find good experienced hands are almost impossible to find so keep the great ones let the others find there own way

just a quik word!...

I just get sick of hearing these salaried guys say.."it's tough out there for every one" I am sorry just collect your check that DOES NOT change every week and dont try to talk to me about how hard times are!! SORRY I am done! that is all

Dogg Like everybody else -

I really don't know where to start...

"The secrataries dont bring in a dime."

No, they don't.  However, someone needs to handle minor paperwork and channel phone calls to management, dispatch, billing..etc...and deal with salespeople and vendors who come off the street to solicite their business with your company.  To eliminate this position would take away from someone else's tasks - and efficiency is lost.

"The bosses dont earn much for the companies unless they make a deal selling pumps."

Do you mean selling your company's pumping service, or selling the actual machines to another company?

Either way, the 'boss' needs to assist salespeople when the pumping service is sold -- and if they're selling equipment to other companies, that means that extra money generated helps to update the fleet etc...(that's good for you)

"The Mechanics(Allthough most companies cant do without them)dont really generate much revenue."

This is the DUMBEST thing you wrote.  Mechanics don't generate revenue?  Think about if they weren't there for you.  Now you would be calling it lost revenue due to down equipment...

The sales people usually generate some revenue but mostly take credit for jobs that call in anyway.

Sales staff is key.  Someone's got to represent your company.  These folks have a harder job than you do.  Do you realize that the jobs you're doing today were negotiated MONTHS ago?  Next time you see your sales person(s)...hug them. 

Another operator made this point to me the other day.Salary people generally spend more money in a company uselessly than any other with there WOC trips,intertainment costs,company trucks(And none of them are driving 99 dodge pickups like me either)and credit cards.

This is how the game is played.  If you think other companies don't 'entertain' their customers and potential customers, you are gravely mistaken.  Sometimes entertaining is a necessary evil.  Why do you think these customers call back after you make a huge mess in the street - or show up late?  That's right - because someone bought them lunch or took them to a basketball game.  Until you can dazzle a customer into exclusively using your company with your superior attitude and aptitude - then entertaining clients will be vital to keeping you busy and not your competition.

I don't want you to think I'm a salary guy who's picking on you...So you have some back ground on me: I've been a salesman, dispatched, an operator - oh, and in the days running Thomsens - I was my own mechanic. 

The easiest job, hands down, is being an operator -

Some salaried people may abuse their privelages...but they are soon sniffed out and delt with.  The world's not perfect - if it were, men would ride side-saddle

Now I am mad! The cheapest thing in the pumping business is the operator? Here is an idea. When you get you last check. Punch the guy who said that in the face!

At a pumping company I used to work for, the operations manager was paid significantly LESS that the operators.  It was to the point where he went out to pump every afternoon just to make a few extra bucks above his meager earnings. he did get a company pickup though.  His boss' mentality was that the op. manager had the status of management and his job was warm and dry; so he could be paid less as a result. 

I might add; It usually works out in the employer's favour to have management/ office guys on salary.  That way they can work them 24 hours (have them on call all night, etc.) without paying them overtime.  An operator is usually on a wage and gets paid overtime for long hours worked.  Yes, being on a wage sucks when times are slow (I am an operator not management by the way) but when things are busy, I think many operators take home more than the office/shop staff.

I'm with Raymond and g rock.its an effort between the operators, mechanics, dispatcher, salesman, and a manager to run efficiently and competitive.

I agree as well they are needed but like I said dont try to tell me how rough it is when your check never changes and I am gettn 7 hour a week

 Dogg Like everybody else 

Open your own pumpingbusiness and collect the BIG dollars !

A good month I earn more than My boss do and the operations manager and the salespeople....

We have a premium or work at piece-rates ( I don´t know how to translate it from Swedish) but My minimum-wage is higher than the wage is for some in the officestaff....

And all the people you talk about are they member of some kind of union ? Some union are stronger and negotiate better for their members ?

And once again one a profile that are almost blank....

We have a Swedish proverb "The Swedish envy" (direct translation) But it seems that is something like that in the USA to....

Many years ago I operated a pump on a salary. I was young[er] and dumb[er] but I thought that for me it was better to know what I would bring home every week. The government put an end to that - not the company.

Fact is that in normal times an operator that works by the hour makes more money and has more days off per year. Yup, things are hard out there now so it is easy to bash the salary guy. Try trading places for the last 10 years, not just the last 10 months; you may change your tune.

Either way, the government is the reason you can't draw a salary while operating, not your boss.

Lets go back in time a few years...... when we were grossing $80+k and getting 70-80 hrs. a week. Who came to relieve us when we were falling asleep on our feet??? Salary guys thats who. We also refer to them as "whipp'n boys" But now days we're the ones whipp'n on them! They're getting chopped just like wash-boys and mechanics. Unless there's one running your pump while you're at home, they're still one of us, A Dogg like everybody else!

Raymond got that ball rollin!!!

its easy to look at it from an ops point of view because an op is directly makin money for a company(unless things are broken on site).

ive known for a fact in the past that an op makes more money then a dispatch, and i can not be paid enough to be a dispatch.

haveing macanics is the sweetest thing ever, and it save the overtime of an op!!

secretairees,  do you want to do all the paper work, take all those calls?? and there has to be something cuter then a new pump at the office!!!!!

salesman find me work in plces i never heard of, which leads to paying my mortgage, food in my belly and scotch for the soul.

take a step back and try to see the HOLE circle.

good luck to yah dog in these interesting times.

lets just say this before i get pissed i have done all the jobs we are talking about by far management is worse WHO sounds like hes had problems with his management well boo hoo i have problems everyday if times are tough and u need to make a move dont be scared dont start a fight with managers u dont know us all and u cant compare one to another so it would be like me saying im so tired of listening to operators whine that wouldnt be a smart statement because i generalize all operators why not nutup and say im tired of hearing my manager whine and lets see where u stand on hours a week later times r tuff we all have to get used to it yeah i get paid but i work everyday i dont know your history but maybe u should try management being so bold maybe u can turn the whole economy around doubt it a

i think the simple question was ansewered quite clearly.

Im seeing operators who gave there life and family time over the years to this bussiness now scraping out a living at 20 and 30 hours or less with no thought to them.Im seeing and hearing guys who have grunted and gouged for 20 years with the same company laid off and ruined.Yet Im still not seeing any salary people give up a dime or losing there jobs.So I asked a question and got the answer I expected.

You must be writing about one specific company. It is not the case with many companies that I talk to. Most people operating pumps are given consideration. The poor and marginal ones are let go so that the better, more loyal operators get more of what few hours there are to be had. As for the mid-management; most companies have instituted pay cuts and restructured commission schedules to try and keep the company from going belly-up and not being able to take care of anyone. I am sure that you are right about some companies. If you work for one of them I am truly sorry. They are not all like that. Most of these companies do care about their people, all of their people.

ps; I drive a 1994 Dodge pu