Serious Operator Error
Dipstick 02-17-2012
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Maybe we've already had this picture here but its new for me.. This is a good example of extreem operator error. Look at the rear leg.. Its not deployed at all!! And than the boom fully over the side?? What was he thinking?? That the outriggers are only there for the looks?

Eighter this guy shouldn't be driving a pump ever or he just didn't get any training at all.. But even then you should be able to imagine the outriggers are there for a reason...


seedless 02-17-2012
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But are you judging by the picture,, If the nmachine tilts ontop of the rear swing out leg, it will stress back in towards the truck, maybe he had bad footing. Just saying. Easy to judge things and come to conclusions from looking at a picture, I do it all the time being a photographer also I take pictures from distances and it looks like my machine is cought in a spider web of power lines, you should read all the rocket scientists comments.


seedless 02-17-2012
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It does look that way, but I have been to many flips or accidents, had a 42 on bad ground Operator error for sure but as the machine raised it looked short rigged, but the weight of the truck blew the cylinder and calapsed the leg back to the truck.

Of course every accident is different, and looks can be decieving. Also Companies most of those times have not given enough trainning or information to new employees. What does he know and really who should be blamed in the end, every sanario is different, one picture can never explain it. but interesting picture.


Dipstick 02-17-2012
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And where would he have had his rear wheels/hopper if that legg was all the way out? Looks like A lot of stuff is in the way there..


Dipstick 02-17-2012
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But you might be righ Seed...


seedless 02-17-2012
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I know the picture looks like it was short riggeed, it just may not have neither the machine may have been over at the rear also, pictures are bad for judgment, but maybe the wood forms are not in the way also, almost looks that way also, who knows, point is I guess it was operator error indeed.


FunnyBoom 02-17-2012
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it is blurry but if you look dirctly behind the driverside fron tires you can clearly see the foot to the rear outrigger. It is still on the pad/dunnage he had put on it it just swiveled when the truck went over. He clearly did not have it out very far at all.


Mike Schroer 02-17-2012
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I'm with Dipstick and FunnyBoom.  Definately short rigged on the working side.  Please don't let anyone talk you in to attempting this.  Stand up for yourself.  If the contractor says "X company would do it," get your ticket signed and leave.  Don't be a "hero!"

 


ALMIMA 02-18-2012
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Sometimes it´s nice to be a linepumper....


mrpumpy 02-19-2012
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i don't agree with any of you guys. it "looks" shortrigged but maybe it wasn't at all. i have seen cases where the pump was fully outrigged, like i suppose it was in this case also, but the movements of the pump while pumping created an inworth moving of the outrigger. like you can ask TT a putzmeister 42m pump should be fully lifted from the ground, if you forget about it, the truck will jump up and down and it wil create a downforce in the direction of the outrigger. i know this can happen because i landed on a roof with a 42 myself some 15years ago, i was very lucky to not harm anything or anyone at that time. i stopped pumping towed the pump down with the mixertruck and made the full outrigger again this time tilting the machine completely from the ground and had no more problems. if i judge the picture this is what happened.

 

i think it is easy to bash someone just by judging a picture.


FunnyBoom 02-19-2012
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We have all made our mistakes, some just get luckier than others. Pics like this are great because hopefully it will teach some of our "joystick operators" out there to respect the maching they have a little more,. Im not bashing anybody at all, hell i dont know the guy. But im not defending him either. I just hope nobody was hurt by this bad decision. I am no detective but i certainly can see the obvious here. If you look in the red circle you can clearly see the foot still sitting on a pad of some sort and the rod for the rear outrigger. The angle of the rod matches the angle of the lean of the truck. Your theory of the outrigger sliding in is shot down due to the fact that the foot is still on its pad, the rod simply just swiveled as it went over.


mrpumpy 02-19-2012
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i didn't say the outrigger slided. read more carefully please. the point is that the outrigger became ingrigged because the pump was leaning on it


Dipstick 02-19-2012
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If its realy true that such a type outrigger can be pushed in just by the truck leaning a bit on it while pumping than that sounds like a huge design error from the manf..

What if you do get all the wheels from the ground but the rear outrigger on the non working side is lifted a bit from the ground when you swing the boom to the working side.. It happens a lot.. Then there is nothing to stop the working side outrigger to be pushed inwards?? Sorry but I don't buy that..

But if its true maybe they should start putting a lock meganism on it..


FunnyBoom 02-19-2012
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You said it could have had an inward movement... Do you truly believe that if this was the case that the pad that the foot is STILL on would have moved with it? Over top of the short curb and forms that the outrigger would certainly have been swung over if it really was fully extended?? Sounds pretty unlikely to me. 


FunnyBoom 02-19-2012
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This type of thing actually happens alot. More than likely his pour was in front of his truck so it was no problem to short-rig the rear because he planned to stay within the front outriggers... Then the contractor comes over and says hey we are going to pour this little thing over there while we have you here or we have extra mud lets put it here before you fold up...  The rest is in the picture. Learn from it


pumpin man 02-20-2012
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It was a fired green and white operator from a Seattle company would be my guess.


Beast 02-20-2012
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on the putz 42m the rear outrigger will collapse in when the weight of the truck is pushing inward, never saw one close completely though and stay on the pad, he was definitely shortrigged, we all make mistakes, if we learn from them is the question.


Dont need one 02-20-2012
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 Funny Boom I believe he was shortrigged but be carefull what you say you dont want to hurt anybodys feelings.


Dont need one 02-20-2012
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 Funny Boom I forgot to tell you I new Justin Caole from the time he was a baby. I worked for Jonny Caole from 1986 to 1993. Probably know some other people you know . Good luck.


Dont need one 02-20-2012
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 If you look at the pile of concrete under the hopper it is directly under the hopper. Looks like a driver overfilled the hopper. And I dont know if this guy knew how to get the left rear outrigger over the footing and form next to that outrigger.