I have seen a lot of bad videos in my day but I am shocked that a manufacturer would put out such an unsafe video. Double end hose, people not wearing safety gear around the hose and on the job.

How can Sermac put out such a bad video to advertise their product. I guess if you run a Sermac you dont have to follow the safety rules?

Well if you guys watch the videos remember Sermac is not following the safety rules.

How can Sermac put out such a crappy video.

Ok so lets count how many safety violations we see?

http://www.sermacamerica.com/view_video.php?id=5

Just in case you dont want to watch the videos here are a few screen shots.

I just wonder If some of the brand to the right have a video with some safety-violation , do they get 2:d place ?

If they have a video on their web site marketing their pumps with safety violations please point them out.

         IF they had some , I have not seen every video of your sponsors , but some pic in ACPA magazine and that amaze Me alot !

Yep the ACPA is getting much better and not allowing unsafe pictures.

Is this some kind of reverse psychology to get Sermac on board as a sponsor?

thats what i was thinking pumpjockey, last week the guy from sermac was posting on here he hoped they would have a banner up very soon, i cant really blame him if he re thinks what he said with top support like this, good work Todd way to get more sponsers 

No this is more of us pointing out that a manufacture is producing promotional videos that are not safe. Shame on them. Oh and i was not the one who brought it up it was 16 CELL who found it and brought it to my attention. I am not just picking on Sermac, I would point out the same thing if it was Schwing or Putz, maybe i would call them and let them know about it but I dont have a contact at Sermac. I dont even think they have one full time guy in the USA at this point. Did you guys see the video? It is sameful to have it up. It really upsets me. Operators all over the world fight the contractors to pump with out metal on the discharge hose and here Sermac is promoting themselves and they are pumping with a double ended hose. It makes me want to puke. Sermac if it cared about the operators and hose men of this industry should take down those videos and spend the time to do the video right. If you own a Sermac and this upsets you than call Sermac and tell them to take the videos down. Just tell them they dont represent our industry very well and the double ended hose practice is against the rules and can get somebody killed. I would not mind taking down the Worst Manufactures video of the year award down if those videos are taken down. They make us all look bad. Please dont even get me started about the pump company who is also at fault here.

Putz don't have any on their websites as far as I can see and know. But they aren't that picky about what they put in their printed magazine.
Have seen alot of crazy stuff in there, including a feature of the company I work for so I'm not innocent myself...

I gotta say Todd, putting up a Ranting and Raving post that bad mouths a company or their promotional video, is not a way to get something changed. It's also always been against YOUR rules. (Think glass houses). When did this website become the industry policeman? It's great to promote safety, but it should not be done by giving away "Worst of..." awards. This industry is small and shrinking daily. Your advertisers may look at this thread and say, "Look what happens if you don't give Todd any ad $$$. He looks for dirt on you, your company, your products and your customers." Sermac has friends other places. Bad Form this time and a good way to get ad $$$ to dry up.

So what your saying is they can post unsafe promotional videos but I cant say anything about it. I dont believe your correct. This web site has pointed out blatant safety violations in the ACPA magazine, with other pump companies who joke around using air to blow out system and post videos of them catching the sponge and so on. If you look at Putz or Schwing or other companies videos they are very responsible and very well done. Sermac is either ignorant of the safety rules, was not paying attention or just dont care. Which is it? Either way it sheds a bad light on our industry and they should take those videos down. ConcretePumping.com is not the policing agency that is true but who is? We dont have a policing agency that is why the manufactures can not promote unsafe practices in their videos. Is their no shame? I believe if someone puts out promotion video that is blatantly unsafe than everyone should cry out against it not just me. I do live in a glass house that is why i am against using a metal ended hose as a tip hose.

Its not always about money, often it is but not this time. Look Sermac is saying they may get a link on ConcretePumping.com and I still even if I lose the link put up this post anyway. When a manufacture puts up such a bad video I just have to call them on it and that is what I did.

have to agree with Todd on this one (although the discussion title may be somewhat harsh)... with all the hard work and heated debate people have been through on this board to get the message out on several different safety issues, a "promotional" video such as this is a huge step backwards in the efforts that have been made to support safer pumping practices... And it's not just one or two little things in a single video, every video on their website is riddled with footage of blatant safety violations in action...

Todd, you missed the point I was really trying to make. Your post violated YOUR RULES. You've enforced those rules to delete others posts and threads regarding bad mouthing and ranting about this, that, or the other thing. To paraphrase, "If you don't have anything nice to say, keep it to yourself, even if it's the truth." Your words, and rules. Not mine. Post anything you want, regardless of industry respect. It's your house. Your "Worst Of ..." award is still over the top. You could have gotten your point across and still shown some class and respect for Sermac. Bad Form.

ok 180 how should I of gone about this? show me what post I should of made.

I never want to be disrespectful but it really upsets me when we fight the good fight and here comes a company who puts out this type of video, do you work for Sermac or own a few of their pumps? Do these videos affect you at all or do you think these videos are done well?

I have not seen a manufacturer put out such a bad video, i am surprised they are not lifting trusses and catching sponges.

I will also go on record saying that if any manufacturer put out a video like that I would call them on it.

perhaps  you could have done it in a less childish manner, and your right it does need to be pointed out cause it is important, and i would also have the company whos pump it is up their on your awards list, i agree the video shouldnt be on their site, but if its not on their site does that mean that company wont be operating like that, dont think so

we run one and it came new in 05 with a 4m double ended 5" hose which we ran for quite a while until the power of the internet with this site let us know that this was wrong, nobody else over here, the HSE,no manufacturer be it sermac , putzmeister ,schwing , CF or whoever has sent out any data sheets or warnings.We actually found out about an accident with a uk contractor from here, that really put an end to the double ender as far as we are concerned. I could quite easy take anyone out this mornin to a pump workin locally and you will still find the double ender in use, the driver blissfully unaware what he is doing, and there are those out there who dont really care either! 

So in one instance you are right to point out the errors of their ways(perhaps not so blatant!) , in another maybe if you suspended the post for an answer from the guilty party and then post their response? The dealer is on here too somewhere.   just a thought, keep it up .

  The use of double ended tip hoses have plagued this industry for a long time. In fact most new pumps arrived to the customers with them installed. I believe in 2004 Schwing sent out an update that recommended they not be used as a delivery hose,then the ACPA soon followed with the same recommendation . And now it is pretty much an industry standard to not use them as a delivery hose.

  This video was posted in 2008 way past the date of double ended hose safety information. So Sermac is at fault for not following common safety practices with this video.

  With the thread the poster named Sir Mac recently made ,has stated he will talk with his company and get that video removed. Todd also commented he does not have any contacts at Sermac America thus is the reason he made this thread. And in doing so he has "educated" Sermac and opened alot of people's eyes concerning safety and this industry, no matter any ones feelings on the way it was done.

  It takes some courage for Todd or anyone else for that matter to make a thread like this and for him to stand behind his convictions regardless of the fall out.

 Safety is all of our responsibilities in this industry starting with the manufactures of this equipment all the way down to the guy on the end hose.

A few links to this discussion also

http://www.concretepumping.com/index.php?mode=newboard&act=topic&tid=3577

And after finding my double ended hose info , it turns out Mr. Edwards was the one who made the info possible for Schwing in 2003

Bulletin# 1002-03

date:10/16/03

subject double ended hose

Sorry I tried to enclose the .pdf  for this bulletin but this site does not support that kind of file  :(. I will e-mail it to Todd and he can add it if he chooses

Thanks for your post Ser Mac Dang I wish I was as gracious as you Ser Mac, I guess i owe you an apology. I am sorry for being so harsh. I guess some temperance was in order. Thank you very much for taking down or editing the video. Should I take down the other post? or take down both of these?

Here is a company that not get it done right...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAkwRSWKoTE

These were the guys who had someone catching the sponge that they were blowing out with air. We called them on it and they edited the video and took that part out. They also say that they are allowed to use double ended hose and their is nothing wrong with it. I personally thing they just dont care about concrete pumping safety and their video proves it.

So it´s no law against it ? Only a "recommendation" ?