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Mr wibau 04-03-2010
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Kris Leers 04-03-2010
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Nice pictures. Just one question. I see when pumping with extra pipeline the man is taking the endhose in his hands. A lot of guys here do that too but I try to convince them to work with a chain or a hook to manouvre the hose.

Isn't it easier and safer. You don't have to carry the weight all the time and in case of an air pocket or block up that releases under pressure, you have just your foot on the hose, the hose can't hit you're head or body so easily and the concrete flying out can be kept near the ground which reduces the risk for injury or damage. 

 


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Mr wibau 04-03-2010
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hey kris thanks for your comment, i am the same any thing over 3 inch is used with my ski rope but under that i am fine with over the knee.

also i beleave you are wrong saying it is safer to have 1 foot on it rather then over the knee on a small hose. in saying that do you blow the air through standing on the hoes or over the knee. you get such great control of the hose if it is in your hands. maybe if it is going to hit them in the head they have to much hose hanging in front of him, look at my pxt how much wipp will happen from the 4inchs of hose out of his hand.

while we are trying to teach maybe you should not go over power lines or explain why you did if there is any reason why.

thanks for your time.

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biged 04-03-2010
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Man looks like you stay busy,in one of your pictures I see you are core filling block I do a lot of block fill I made a special wall hook using 2 1/2 steel fitting's  welded , mine swivels on corner's with the turn of a finger,no more holding the hose let it hang, send me and e-mail and I will send you a picture.

TooTall 04-04-2010
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Was that crack in your prime port off the transition???

Kris Leers 04-04-2010
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Mr. Wibau, in the picture you see I'm not going over the powerlines. Often it's very hard to tell from a picture how far away you are from power lines. In this case I'm not even near them. If you look well, you can see I'm standing with the pump behind the pole holding the lines. The lines are going to another pole on the side of the street closest to the point of view of the camera.  I'm going with the boom to a house on the opposite side of the street.

Also the power lines in this case are isolated. In Belgium mostly the lower line is an isolated line used for cable TV. The upper one is an isolated powerline.

Sometimes, we have some older lines that are not isolated and then of course you have to make sure to keep the prescribed safety distance.

The really high voltage lines are not isolated but they mostly are hanging a lot higher. Even though, sometimes the're in your way. In that case I rather keep the boom down and put some extra pipeline instead of risking lives. 

About holding the 3" hose in your hands or with a chain and your foot on it: I still prefer they keep it on the ground but the safety, in my opinion, depends alot on the experience and skills of the pump operator and hose man. If the hoseman can notice a problem in time he can prevent injury and damage. If he doesn't really know what he's doing, he can, in case of an air pocket, point the hose in the wrong direction as well with chain as in the hands. The severe consequences we all know. For those of you who've never seen it happen, I recommend to check out some safety videos on video.concretepumping.com

A concrete pump can be a dangerous toy, so we better try to keep it as safe as possible.

 


Mr wibau 04-04-2010
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so ypu are telling me you are not going over the power lines here hey? fair enough i must be seeing things.

as for the hose i guess everyone to there own.

 
 
 

Kris Leers 04-04-2010
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Yes indeed, on this one I'm over the powerlines but as I told you in the previous post, in Belgium most powerlines are insulated and so are these on the picture. You could  take the lines in your hands and you would feel just the same as taking the power cable of your television in your hands.

We also have lines that are not insulated. In that case: stay away from them at least the prescribed safety distance.

Even better: don't get near them at all so you can't make a mistake in judging the distance.

By the way Mr. Wibau: always great pictures you post.


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biged 04-04-2010
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I hope you know that the weather will destroy insulation on  wires in time so becareful

pumpjockey 04-04-2010
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For me, the issue with booming over lines is the ever-present force of gravity and the possibility of a failure of some component of the boom system, whether mechanical, electronic, hydraulic or structural. Gravity will ensure that it comes down into the wires, the insulation will fail and the whole damn thing will be electrified. and it all happens without warning - people get fried. Operator error is a bigger danger than mechanical failure, are you INFALLIABLE? Sure, you may be able to get closer to an insulated line, but that's not the point, you must treat every situation for it's maximum danger. That's what Hazard Analysis is about. Have you briefed the hoseman, mixer operators and crew about the dangers? Chances are the pump operator will be the only guy that can give the statement to the investigators, as he is the only one at distance and isolated, unless he's on the rebar with the placing crew.

2IC 04-04-2010
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why is it so easy for an operator to "plant" in his brain not to go up when parked under power lines but when working over scaffold and such we let our guard down and occasionally rub a bit of paint off here and there. how many of us have given the truck cab a new look when operating some of the old over-fold booms but have never lifted one into power lines? i don't believe to much of the mechanical failure side of things but i do believe very much of the human error element, myself,i would rather be 2 metres under a power line than 4 metres above, not caring what voltage it is, but that is just me.

Too Tall, what i have heard is that was the swinging 90's 2nd or 3rd job, i don't think the Chinese aftermarket could handle what the pressure gauge was reading, the supplier has replaced it, Brendo normally just blows up pressure gauges and some race car engines.

Brendan, great pics as always, doing a great job out there mate


Mr wibau 04-04-2010
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hey brains very very well said but i thought i was the only one that ever looked back going dam i didnt need that paint and i didnt bend that piece of scaffold. haha

sorry tootall missed your reply yeah as brains said that is the swinging 90 of the ass end on its 2 job. been replaced now.

thanks pump jockey and biged.


JDR47 04-04-2010
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Keep your on posting your pics Mr. Wibau they have excellent quality.

As for the other guy going over power lines. You need to talk to the safety guy Kyle Rask at Brundage Bone for some disturbing video and photos of powerline accidents.

For the BBCP guys that know who I am talking about you can correct me as for I left BB a couple years ago. But haven't forgotten those pictures he showed us in meetings


Mr wibau 04-04-2010
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jdr47 thank you very much, it is comments from guys like you is the reason i keep posting.

 

thanks mate


Kris Leers 04-05-2010
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Thanks for the advice guys.

TooTall 04-05-2010
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 I like "Swing 90" better than "Transition". It's along the same lines as calling a tip section a "Jib".

 I'm thinking the name "Transition" came from old flapper boxes and the hinged "transition" from square to round. Who know? 


WHO?? 04-05-2010
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LOL.....

2IC 04-05-2010
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and we call your pick ups a ute, every man has gotta have a ute, lol

 


Boomtish 04-23-2010
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I was just going through old posts and saw this one. I run a line pump and I usually have 3inch hose above the knee as I find it easy to manover around house slabs. People have different perferences to how they handle the hose, I would put a hook on the front if there's houses too close to the slab that's being filled to avoid concrete splashes all over. Other than that, always above the knee.

Boomtish 04-23-2010
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P.S. How does that pump handle since it's being a Flowcrete brand. I run a flowcrete model and was told they're not that good? I don't have any issues on mine.