Looking at a job where the customer will not accept a per hr. charge only for crusher run stone under concrete approx. 4" thick. Roughly comes out to 720 tons .Any help ASAP would help get this bid together.

                                              Thanks crete

That does suck

Not sure what things are like in your area but some insight.

Number of tons per day,delivery rate and tons per hour,number of trips there.This is the same practice as flat rate on pumps,then bad delivery.I would try to get as much info as possible,they like to think 100 tons per day but beat you up and doing 50 a day.Set the minimums at xxx a day and bid accordingly.

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wow, that a tough one... 

if it's 720 tons and only 4" thick, you're going ot be moving a couple of times for sure.....  Then you need to think about how it's being loaded, Are you using a skid steer(god, I hope not), a loader and the 3 yard hopper???  Then where is the stock pile, too... How far is the loader going to have to travel? How many loaders? Maybe they'll be using the low profile hopper and backing trucks directly over it with a coal chute, lot to consider for the time aspect of this job.....

If the stockpile was close and you were using the 3 yard hopper with even just one loader, you should be able to get this job done in about 6 hours, including moves.........And that's conservative, about a month ago, I did roughly 1800 ton in 10 hours with a bunch of moves involved...

But the question is how do you convert a 200-300 dollar an hour bill into per tons....   I'm thinking 2.50 a ton would get you 1800 for the job...  That's 300/hr @ 6 hrs...  But what if you do not get done in 6 hrs....

For example do they have all the material onsite and waiting???  Or is it being delivered the day of?  I would try and work something out where your covered if it goes over 6 hours for things happening on the contractors side ....

And then when you look at it like, ok Ill do your job for 2.50 a ton and no houlry, that sounds like you are almost doing it for free....  I am wondering what the jobsite is like...  Can they do the job w/o a belt if they really wanted to or is it a job where they absolutely need a belt....  Where is your bargaining or do you have any? I guess that is the real quesion in how you approach this....  You want the job, but you still need to be paid accordingly... And you don't want ot scare them away if in the long run, the guy can just use a few skid steers and get it done in a week..... With You a 1/2day, with skid steers at least three...Time is $$$$......

hey many

did you know we finally got a couple belts here now??

No way,good for you

If the guy wants you to give him a price per ton and stick to it, no problem.

Tell him that you first need to know how many tons per hour he is going to place, and stick to it.

u the man u can do anything

Am I hallucinating?  Mr. O'brien had that well written letter about pricing just a few weeks ago, and everyone was gung ho on having pricing that would make this industry profitable.  Now you're going to rent out a telebelt by the ton?  If a customer wants a tonnage charge, and not an hourly charge, then, in order to ensure a profit, you need to remove your variable costs.  Explain to him that you will rent the machine at $X per time period (week, month, year), and he is to provide the operator, basic maintenance, and fuel.  A bare lease is the only way to remove your variable costs entirely.

The customer is full of it.  He know's the economy is bad and he's looking to get over on somebody.  Don't be his fool.

This is the type of question I usually get from 3rd world customers who want me to translate my price into a different format in hopes that I'll screw myself.

cp1 

Am I hallucinating?  Mr. O'brien had that well written letter about pricing just a few weeks ago, and everyone was gung ho on having pricing that would make this industry profitable.  Now you're going to rent out a telebelt by the ton?

Why not? I don't understand the problem here. This guy wants to know what it is going to cost him to place each ton of material; so give him the price.

Take your hourly price and your material price and figure out what it will cost him.

You must first find out the rate of tons per hour he expects to place. Give him a price based on his expectations. It is no different than giving someone a price per yd³ and it is done every day.

The thing that you must first do is make your rate conditional upon his meeting his pour rate. If he is not able to perform to his own expectation then your price changes accordingly.