Mister_Perkins | 02-12-2013 | comment profile send pm notify |
What are the benefits of having a z-boom |
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GARCIA | 02-12-2013 | reply profile send pm notify |
mr perkins These are the benefits of a z boom !
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GARCIA | 02-12-2013 | reply profile send pm notify |
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Mister_Perkins | 02-12-2013 | reply profile send pm notify |
is it simply just because the Z configuration is easier to get into tight spaces? Or is there a difference in pumping a z configuration that helps with boom bounce? I've never ran a z boom besides a Schwing 31HT which really isn't a full Z boom |
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pumpjockey | 02-12-2013 | reply profile send pm notify |
It's good excersize for your brain. You can get some pretty whacky boom configurations that require a bit of thinking to figure out which direction to push which joystick so that you don't drive it into the dirt or into the ceiling of a building if you're booming into it. But seriously, you can do a bit more with the boom - get it up onto mezzanines, under beams, through shop doors, even man doors and windows. Over trees, then under other branches....but it does take some figuring and finnessing and measuring and a touch of creativity. |
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Dipstick | 02-12-2013 | reply profile send pm notify |
Its not only advantages with the 4 section Z-Boom. In some situation like in between 2 buildings it can be a serious pain in the ass.. There are some blind areas. In some tight spaces its an advantage.. In some a disadvantage.. The 4 section z boom is quite useless anyway. A 5 section does make me smile.. I had a 40-4 RF boom that I could get further in to a building than a 38-4 Z that I had later. You need the 5 sections to realy get the big advantage.. |
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thinksnow | 02-13-2013 | reply profile send pm notify |
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Frogburner | 02-13-2013 | reply profile send pm notify |
I've actually been running a 5 section 43 putz while I'm waiting on my 38- 4 section to be refurbished at putz, and I really am starting to like the 5 section better. I Z the boom everytime I can, and that thing is really, really smooth when bringing back in a Z. I arched my 38 prolly 90% of the time, but alot of guys still say I was alot quicker overall with my 38 and as smooth if not smoother with it. I am for sure missing my automatic tranny in my 38 though, there is nothing like drinking hot cocoa in the morning with one hand on the wheel buzzing through the stop lights in town. |
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Mister_Perkins | 02-13-2013 | reply profile send pm notify |
If your pumping high volume in a Z formation, does the boom have a lot of bounce? Or do the sections kind of counter-act one another and make the boom smoother ? |
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Ne-max | 02-13-2013 | reply profile send pm notify |
A lot also depends on the truck. A 4 section z boom is way differant then a 5 section. I am learning with our 31m putz that its half roll and fold and half z boom. I know its easy to train a guy on a roll and fold compared to a z boom. Suck about a z boom is you prime in a frame and suck back your ball in a frame so it can be a pain at times going back and fourth.
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PUMBO | 02-14-2013 | reply profile send pm notify |
The main advantage from a design point is the width of the boom on the truck when folded. Its around 3/4 less narrower than conventional RF. This means that you can have a greater rear projection than a R&F boom without comprimising road safety. As traffic on roads increases this regulation will become a worldwide stanrad eventually. Boom bounce isnt really the type of boom z or rf its more the fact that the weight reduction in material for the boom have contributed to greater flexibility. |
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Logger | 02-14-2013 | reply profile send pm notify |
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Ne-max | 02-14-2013 | reply profile send pm notify |
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FunnyBoom | 02-14-2013 | reply profile send pm notify |
Thats a good looking Putz 31z you've got there! Thats a great pump, I hope shes treating you well so far. |
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Ne-max | 02-15-2013 | reply profile send pm notify |
Yes Sr. Pumped 800yds weds and just pumped another 500 today. This job has 20ft ceiling so that helps. Just getting the bugs worked out of it from sitting so long. But so far it has been a great pump. |
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Dipstick | 02-15-2013 | reply profile send pm notify |
Now that last picture is a 31 RZ.. That a great design aswell. 5 section Z or 4 section RZ is great.. As long as the tip section folds UP.. 4 section Z where the tip section folds down....I don't even understand why they still make these things.. Don't they see there is no advantage there??? Don't buy it |
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FunnyBoom | 02-15-2013 | reply profile send pm notify |
Glad to hear that! If you ever have any questions about it feel free to get ahold of me. 513-317-3652 |
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putzman1975 | 02-16-2013 | reply profile send pm notify |
too much thinking in a 5 sec z fold i run a 4 sec 40 z putz great pump cant beat it ,
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Ne-max | 02-17-2013 | reply profile send pm notify |
My question is whats the benifits of a roll and fold? As stated above a z boom can go into much tighter places, can move it faster but yet be ran almost like a roll and fold. |
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b-alto | 02-17-2013 | reply profile send pm notify |
It seems to me a roll and fold would be safer because of the way the rams only push on the pins and not pull. Z booms could fail easier if a pin or weld cracked or broke. In fold type it pushes against the boom as not to pull apart. This is just my thought. Not sure if its true. But pulling on a ram instead of pushing with a 100 foot stick over people makes me wonder. |
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pumpjockey | 02-17-2013 | reply profile send pm notify |
Yeah, Think about that when looking at the 58M Schwing, the load is 'pulling' on the ram and pins on the MAIN section.....
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Mister_Perkins | 02-17-2013 | reply profile send pm notify |
18ft 8" unfolding height, 830 degrees of total boom articulation including 278-degrees at the Z-tip section, 15’-3” of main extension, and total reach of almost 79ft. The S31XT is a great machine. |
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Beast | 02-19-2013 | reply profile send pm notify |
to me a 4 section z isnt much more versatile than a roll and fold , now you go to the 5 section and you have a very versatile boom, 4 section I'd rather have a roll and fold. |
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SUPERDOFFER | 02-23-2013 | reply profile send pm notify |
nothing can beat the smal RZ booms |
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SUPERDOFFER | 02-23-2013 | reply profile send pm notify |
And by the way I never seen this whit a RF.
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Dipstick | 02-23-2013 | reply profile send pm notify |
Maybe not a putz or schwing but this 40m JMBH which is a copy of a 40m Concord is a normal RF boom. Only the 3rd section can also fold up about 45 degrees. Tip section even 80 degrees. I could get that boom in to a normal door exactly just as far as a 38m Z-boom. On this picture I was standing just a bit to close but would i've been slightly futher away I would have gotn almost 3 sections in..
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SUPERDOFFER | 02-23-2013 | reply profile send pm notify |
That is exactly what you need on a RF. If I had the choice the new Schwing 36rz wood perform better than the Putz 36Z I run at this moment. Just because of the 225 degrees unfolding of section3. The 36Z can be a pain in the as in the narrow citystreets. |
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SUPERDOFFER | 02-23-2013 | reply profile send pm notify |
I can't reach ground level. |
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Dipstick | 02-23-2013 | reply profile send pm notify |
Exactly what I mean |