I've been trying to sell my 99 TK-50 and can't get a bite. Is 18K too much? Its in Alaska but shipping to Seattle is only a couple grand. Any ideas to speed up the sle/ Anybody want a 50 for a reasonable price? Thanks

Did you go and compair your price on www.usedconcretepumps.com ?

sounds like a good price considering that it ten years old and half the cost from when it was new. you still have to get it to the market to make the sale.

Todd, I wouldnt go basing that site on real worldwide pump prices. Even though america is in a hard time right now financially, in contrast to worldwide maket - the prices there are downright insane.

The last generation schwings and Putzmeisters made in US, UK, China are no way anything like the real european models - nor hold their resale anything close. For starters, you wont find many elefant trunk (BRF) model sold outside europe, free flow hydraulics since 1982 as standard, telescopic outriggers because of weight restrictions worldwide and mounted on true MAN or Mb chassis, with true direct engine drive PTO fitted.

Think, even in real hard time in europe right now you still couldnt get a 1993 24M Putzmeister 1411 with TRDI outriggers (X) on MB chassis for anything less than 80,000 USD!!!

And as far as i have been told, nobody experienced enough in the industry over in europe there wants to know about used trucks available in the US market. ANd think about it if you could get 3 US pumps for the price of one EURO, you'd have to be insane not to stock your fleet up with pumps. Any average businessman tells you 3 for 1 is a great deal. Not in this case. 

Same applies here in Australia. You wont find many, if any genuine european imports for sale. The experienced owner operators know, you want a quality pump you pay the premium price.

He has obviously got a German Putz on a German truck.

*laughs* ok a little biased, but still doesnt deter the fact that you still pay premium price in europe and not US.

I mean take this 1983 BRF 1408 M26, Only a lazy 64,000 USD,

in contrast to 1996 Putzmeister BSF36.16H $90,000

Are we missing something hear?

 Yes, you're missing the fact that many of the pumps that are listed under $100k are scheduled to be auctioned off. The people that still have them are scrambling get anything more than auction will.

 When that $90k Putz goes to auction it may only sell for $40something thousand. Some people are selling pumps for only what is owed on the loan just to get out from under them?

 These are the very same pumps that were being bought and sold for $300K to $400K a couple years ago. Today they are being sold for alot less due to circumstance. They are not and less of a machine! You are right, there are'nt many "E trunks" here in the States and for good reason... Nobody wanted them!

Please, nobody wanted it - that's what the salesman want you to believe in part. There are many urban myths about this. But this is not the post to tell you that story.

Anyway, if thats what you like to believe, each to their own - i'm not a saleseman, but if what you guys say about Australia being a "dumping ground" for used pumps, i still dont hear of or see many US imports working in Melbourne - even if they do auction for a ridiculous $40,000 USD back in the US.

Pump on! ;)

Pumbo - You have some great points. I have said this for many years. When I am in Europe there is a big value in the truck,pump quality. It kinda upsets me to see Europe in many areas taking on the partners partners from the far East now a days. I hope it does not damage the European standards in years coming. The pumps used here are worked harder then there and still stand up and have great life. Macks as well. Comfort is lacking but still the life is there. THese machines get worked hard and here we deliver concrete much faster with more of the larger pours everyday then there. Plus our operators do several jobs a day in a lot of cases where there you go a bit slower so the machines get less wear on a daily basis. There is no doubt there are some huge deals from the US now that can make you profit anywhere in the world no matter the truck. Look on cp.com and check out the pumps. It will give some ideas plus there is room in most to negotiate an even better deal. Putz tried hard to market the Elephant trunk here but it just did not take.

Caribou - It is a good price but we are in an anything goes market. Even with trailers. There is still a market for this pump. The spring is coming and if you hold up a month or so I am sure you will get the price for it.

Pumbo..

think you have overestimated the european prices, the exchange rate over here now, pound-euro/pound-dollar means there are some really cheap machines. 32m putz 2001 truck 1990 pump... 45/50k

too tall/tebequip

You re right, we run both elephant, rock valve and s valve(sermac) and although the hefflump is good, it aint no match!!!

Good luck Dave. I'll see you in a week. Maybe I'll give you call before I leave Ca. Paint sure would make a differnce with that line pump.

Murf - Of the pumps and valve's you run. Give us your choice and maybe why. Thanks for you in put.

Caribou2, If that pump was down here it would sell alot faster. I know people that have shipped vehicles from there for less than a couple thousand?

Tebequip-

Elephant- nice and simple, not a lot to maintain but doesnt like grit,limestone or 10mm (builds up in hopper)

Cifa-ok but let down by electrics and over specced MAN truck

Sermac- S valve, nice and quiet, never refused to pump anything, not alot of storage space . good value for money

samsung/daewoo-putzmeister s valve in disguise ,ok , cheap,but jap truck???

Schwing - rock valve been the same design for over 20yrs ...bit pricey...but why change a good thing!!

perhaps we need a kind of which pump ?/glass's consumer guide on here to find out the lemons. Any comparisons with the machines over there?

telequip - the pumps built aborad aren't a lesser machine  just different build design and quality that reflects their countries market.

Murph - you will notice some pumps even on the european market are from Putzmeister italian and spanish production plants and admittedly they are cheaper than their german versions. You should be able to pick it up from chassis all PM german pumps start with 22 XX XX XXXX "(Country) (Year) (month) (production number)". They hold their value real well!

Part of the reason pumps made outside German are cheaper than German version is because when PM were establishing worldwide markets they forged agreements and relationships with local manufacturers to manufacture and supply components. (i.e antonelli booms with 4" delivery line - opposed to atlas booms with 5" delivery line, eaton hydraulic pumps - opposed to sundstrand and hydramatic, radio remotes and valves - opposed to hbc which were pushing proportional when competition was still using Black/white, trucks with transfer boxs - opposed Rear engine pto running in neutral all day long...so much different)

You should also notice another trend in relation to elefant pumps. The first generation of elefant pumps built between 1978 and 1993 hold their value much better than the latter generations. The older ones had better all round build quality - with the exception of no rust protection and highfill paint jobs which chipped everywhere!!! 

In many opinions the trunk 2000 generation of valves after the lightning trunk of 1995, which was prone to many problems - was one of the biggest reasons they did not promote the elefant trunk outside germany when expanding in the global market after the worldwide recession of 1990.

These problems stemmed from a whole new design, their size and mass in relation to hopper design. They didn't like slumps less than 60mm and aggregate greater than 32mm. The main cause was due to design of the valve itself. pressure pipes couldn't withstand the weight of the trunk on the change over, tie rods would fail, bearings had small lifespan,... list goes on.

Because the elefant pump, for those who dont know relied on a automatic cutting ring which relies on delivery pressure to seal, the size and mass of the trunk when changed over pushed the dry concrete away from the cylinder opening, thus delivery pressure was lost because the cutting ring would lose its spring on the spectacle plate face and concrete bleeding would occur plugging was inevitable under high pressures. This wasn't so much of a problem with the previous generation much due to the trunk was lighter and smaller in size proportionally with the old "V" hopper.

Thats why they made a calculated decision not to promote it worldwide. But make no mistake, it defintely had nothing to do with nobody wanting it. If nobody wanted it, their prices today would have been fetching on par with the schwing gate valve.

Some old 1980 elefant pumps i have seen personally are clicking towards 9000 PUMPING hours (not engine or PTO!!!) on original parts!!! So much that the hoppers had worn the steel down in some sections to .5 mm. 

Yeah murf, the elefant doesnt like 40 mpa core fill on turtle pumping speed over long days.

Pumbo

I agree with what you say about he trunk, however we have operated them right thru from the days of the big bucket hopper to the recent ones, and the problems have been the same throughout with build up around the trunk causing it to not change properly on poor  mixes. Its the simplicity of it which people like , only 2 agitator bearings to grease, and reasonably quick to clean out.

If you want to see a trunk with a s.. load of hours on it , buy an ex- pochin machine !!

yeah but pochin run its timers based on PTO working hours from what i have seen. I am talking 9000 pumping hours. Thats about 3/4 million cubic meters of concrete on original chrome cylinders. Crazy stuff.

Weve got an ex-pochin 32/4 1990 pump unit (later truck) digital hour meter runs only when in pump.... 8914 hrs  just changed the sauer unit . runs as sweet as!!