What's wrong with your pump?
Captain Ron 05-01-2018
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I am posting some pictures of different mixes that we took on the west coast of Florida. The first one is a 50/50 slag mix that pumped quite well. The rest of the pictures are mixes from the same supplier, same mix # and many the same day as the first.Those mixes did not pump very well if at all.

Does anyone see a difference between the first pic and the rest of the pics?

Does anyone know what an operator can do to make those mixes pump?

Does any one have any suggestions for what can be done to a pump to make those mixes pump?

Bonus question:

Can any one guess who the supplier is that brought these mixes on the west coast of Florida?


I've been pumping since 1985 and can tell you that I've got a fairly extensive knowledge of mix designs. I would just like to hear your opinion.

 


mcratchet 05-01-2018
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west coast of Florida? u mean the panhandle?

Captain Ron 05-01-2018
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Tampa Bay

bisley57 05-01-2018
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First thing get a Putzmeister      I think your contract should stipulate a pumpable mix      Try and pump it         If the mix is not pumpable bill the contractor and go home       Take the upper hand     Or move to Louisiana and pump some of our natural sand and smooth river rock

Captain Ron 05-02-2018
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Thanks Bis,


I've got 7Putz's and 2 Schwings.  What I am asking for is a response from the experienced guys that will back up my claim that the concrete you see in the pictures looks boney and unpumpable and that no operator expertise or pump adjustment that you can do will make an unpumpable mix pumpable.


Would anyone like to back me up on that ANd comment on what they see in the pictures?


pudg2 05-03-2018
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honestly if the pumps wear parts are tight , and you can't pump it , without adding water or a pump aid chances are you aren't going to be able to pump it, if you are limited to making a pump pump a unpumpable mix without having the ability to add water or pump aids , you are pretty much screwed , I've been running pumps since 1989 and have very good knowledge of mix designs , we can't just wave a magic wand and make machines do the impossible I do not care how good you think you are , you can mess with rpms and output , water , pump aids , pump through all 5" line or hose , but that's about it, if you've done all these things , then it's not on you.

Captain Ron 05-03-2018
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Thank you pudg....just what I was looking for.


Any one else.


T-Riffic 05-02-2018
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In my opinion (for what it is worth) the 1st pic it looks ok plenty of sand if I had to guess I would say 40% sand to 60%rock the 2nd pic has way more rock and very little sand 25%sand? I would be surprised if anyone could pump that. The 3rd pic it is hard to see it might have gone in   bigger hose if it was a lot wetter.  Best of luck getting things straightened out. 

PUMBO 05-04-2018
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1st and 2nd pics looks pumpable. Middle picture looks the most pump friendly. 3rd picture looks really lean on cement batched or over sanded.

You could get the mud moving, try running auger in reverse away from cylinders run half full hopper to draw air into the cylinder with the concrete. Obviously cutting ring seal as spectacle plate wear should be in reasonable condition. Looks like, The more water you add on the 3rd pic the worse it will be to pump, less aeration = more compaction.

Actually I'd be happy if I couldn't pump the 3rd pic it reminds me of independent concrete plants in the early 90's. I remember (as a greenhorn) when you had breaks in pumping water would literally be trickling out of the end hose. Quite a anxious feeling knowing you would be stripping elbows of the boom within the next 15-30 mins or so...


orygun 05-12-2018
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have a plant here that like to sell boney mixes based on rock strength, that looks like the first load.

the second mix is a total joke. third has no fines so coating the rock to be a hydraulic product will not happen. they know that you are pumping they just do not care to provide the product that cuts into the profit to deliver a good material.