I got into so much trouble because I refused to set up on ramps this steep I am talking over 20 degrees A 36m pump sent to pump a job that required at least a 42

Yes it was steep and yes it would have been over the front but I have seen far to many jobs like this go terribly wrong so I dont even try anymore What really gets me is they dont allow mixers on ramps but expect pumps to go on them.

I carry a level that displays the angle and it was showing 21.

I guess my answer would be not sure.The basic set is ok,well maybe.Had you of posted a pic from the other side it would have helped for an accurate answer.

I have set 52's in a similar position,however boom stayed at less than span on front riggers (somewhere between cab ond front rigger).It was mentioned about swing brakes,believe it.This also applies to swing motor being able to bring you back.

I have personally seen the aftermath of a brake not holding,poor mixer.

mmm well I had mentioned that if the brake let go bye/bye boom and as for setting up anywhere else the answer is no There must have been 8 guys there and me and all 8 said you can do it and it was only me going....mmmm no and explaining all of the senerios that could happen oh as for where the pic was taken I was about 4 feet from the back of the pump and the top of the ramp was taller than me oh the other thing they said dont worry about being over 3 degrees... well anyway I have never got so hot on a site until that day

I carry two extra dunnage pads on my truck. If I cant get within 3 deg. of level with those, I dont set up. Usually the contractor on site will have at least a bobcat to level out the ground. On an incline pictured above you cant compensate with dunnage alone. Your hopper will be to high for a mixer truck. We all just have to remember, we are the only one responsible for our trucks on site. We are also the only ones who know the capabilities and safe operating parameters of our equipment. In my opinion, you did the right thing, no pour is worth losing my boom or hurting someone.

Zman-

I've refused to set up under the same conditions.  There were options and I explained them to the contractor. 

Option 1:  have the excavator scrape away at the set up location until the site is level enough for safe set-up.

Option 2:  Use the existing set up location, bring the ass-end of the pump up so the angle is in the safe working range and use a second pump to reach into the hopper that's 7' off the ground.

He started executing option 1 until the salesman of a competitor showed up and said it wouldn't be a problem- they could do it without all this 'production'.

The company I was with was happy to let them take this job...

it's funny,but reailty has it's place

Should a contractor say Rachel I need you to set up and your perimiters are within your front outriggeers.???.What's ammmmatterhere?.Doesn't anyone unnderstand basic math????.

.When I went to school 2 +2 equaled +4.Your job as an opererator is to do your assigned job.Yes saftey is a reqiuerment but lets not get stuipid.

11 degreges out of level and boomed over center of cab (only) does not exceed safety standards.Lets get real here,safety vs safety is the safe choice but lets not get stuipid.

Ask me to set up at 11 degrees and swing over side,yeah right,kiss my ankles.For the young yes,but for the veteran?.Get a life.

My Best

when i was off road and RM truck was conserned i just asked the excavator guy there to take a few scoops out of the grade, back to work.

This post points to one of the most common violations of both the ACPA and the CPMA safety policies.

Everyone is aware of the rule that says, “Machines must be set-up within three degrees of level.” The CPMA is made up of the people that make our equipment. These same people, in order to prevent accidents and damage to our pumps stipulated the 3 degree rule. No one makes much of an issue when the bubble is ‘just outside that line’. The problem is that operators don’t realize how far out of level they really are. Since you made it yesterday with a similar set-up… why not do it again today, right? And then to add insult to injury, why not further exacerbate the misstep by raising the already too high front end so that the tires are off of the ground?

What are you thinking? Who told you that this was the way to set-up? Who trained your trainer?

I would like to offer a suggestion.

Why not take the time and read, or re-read the book that came with your pump. Read about set-up, read about level, read about dunnage and ground pressure.

What is the worst thing that could happen if you read, or re-read the book?

NOTHING!

The worst that could happen is that you don’t read it

hey there,i wouldent have a problem setting up on a small slope like that as long as its solid ground,

Only one solution of this situation, 

Ask to contractor SORRY

When ground will level then park the pump.

If any operator is not thinking for safety it means that is not operator.

Hey back from another interesting day....anyway that is another topic on its own I have seen pumps set up on that angle and when they are flat out I have seen the hopper 4 to 6 feet in the air teddering on the front on unstable ground and something else this picture shows the ramp cut down not what it looked like before even steeper anyway I have found most contractors or crews cannot even understand what you explaint to them it is like deer in the headlights you get that look .....

i have to go with art ,you cant have it both ways,i have done it in my earlier years,but i learned better from my own and others experiences,i have seen swing brakes fail and the damage they cause when they fail on inclines its disastrous,so can it be done? yes,safe?no,will a swing brake fail all the time?no,that doesnt mean its safe,and if you cant do it safely,dont do it.not that it cant be done but is it worth the risk to you or your company and there equipment and the people around that unstoppable 100 foot free swinging baseball bat stopping only when it hits something or the truck flips when it swings around the backend,no way jose,  just my opinion  

ive had 2 slew brake assemblys fail on me in 15 years if there is no power lines and your working over th front it can be done but no way i would put it over the side especially if you have to stretch it out but when they go there is no stopping them so i guess make sure your legs are stable and solid and there is nothing behind you especially power

or a ready mix truck

move the pump back and run some line if your not sure

sounds to me some of us may be putting dollar value on peoples lives and letting contractors tell them whats safe and what is not,I understand you cant always stay inside the peramiters and operators have to make these calls everyday,I hope some of these calls dont end up being to the 911 operator man smashed by free swinging concrete pumper boom i know even art has done things we shouldnt do and me as well that doesnt make it rite or safe